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[Knight Otu]

      [ATTACK:STING:BODYPART:ABDOMEN_STINGER]

Try to change this to
      [ATTACK:STING:BODYPART:BY_TOKEN:ABDOMEN_STINGER]

or to

      [ATTACK:STING:BODYPART:BY_CATEGORY:STINGER]

[EmperorJon]

Anyone help with an error I've got? Some new parts I've added have no tissue thickness, but I'm pretty sure they're made of a tissue with the same relative thickness of everything else, any way to trace it back to see what it is that's the problem, like from the end to the beginning to make sure all the material/tissue template bits are all spelt correctly? I'm having trouble working out what links to what. :S

[JoRo]

Anyone help with an error I've got? Some new parts I've added have no tissue thickness, but I'm pretty sure they're made of a tissue with the same relative thickness of everything else, any way to trace it back to see what it is that's the problem, like from the end to the beginning to make sure all the material/tissue template bits are all spelt correctly? I'm having trouble working out what links to what. :S

Can you post the creature?  I've had a few different things that cause tissues with no thickness.

[EmperorJon]

Posting the creature won't help, it's just added as a body half way through. I might post the lot if I have time tomorrow. Are there any guides out there which show the order and general mesh of material, tissue etc.?

[krisslanza]

How do I go about addding in a custom graphic? I understand when it's a pre-made set but... I'm trying to mod in a new race to play with, and a friend made me a single sprite for it. Looking at the raws, I can't really understand how they actually determine which icon is used and stuff.. I'm confused

[Ieb]

Creature tag/Worldgen question.

What tags make creatures, other than mega- or semimegabeasts, to attack, kill and gain names, during worldgen? Alligators eating people and so on. I've noticed a lack of named predator creatures during my mod-escapades, so is it that they're missing something, or don't they get mentions anymore in the historical figure list?

Alternatively, is it somehow tied to the Age of the world? These days it's hard to get past the Age of Myth unless you removed the titans from the world. Do normal big creatures pick up the slack after titans and such are gone?

[Akjosch]

      [ATTACK:STING:BODYPART:ABDOMEN_STINGER]

Try to change this to
      [ATTACK:STING:BODYPART:BY_TOKEN:ABDOMEN_STINGER]

or to

      [ATTACK:STING:BODYPART:BY_CATEGORY:STINGER]

Ah thanks, that worked. BY_CATEGORY:STINGER seems like the more "logical" version, so I went with that, and my soldiers are now stinging people left and right (seems I have to remove ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE though, so they stop severing body parts with it ...). Any idea if it's possible to modify the chance with which they take one kind of an attack over a different one?

@EmperorJon: I had this error mostly when I tried to add body parts after I already set up BODY_DETAIL_PLANs. In the end, the most sensible way for me was to define castes first, then BODY and corresponding BODYGLOSS tags for the castes, then modify some RELSIZEs so they have slightly different proportions, and then add BODY_DETAIL_PLANs for all of them at once (after [SELECT_CASTE:ALL]).

[Knight Otu]

What tags make creatures, other than mega- or semimegabeasts, to attack, kill and gain names, during worldgen? Alligators eating people and so on. I've noticed a lack of named predator creatures during my mod-escapades, so is it that they're missing something, or don't they get mentions anymore in the historical figure list?

Technically, LARGE_PREDATOR, but that behavior appears to be bugged currently - there appear to be no historical figures "hunting great beasts", so no predators attack or kill them, so no predators get names, so no named predators join in on monster rampages.

Any idea if it's possible to modify the chance with which they take one kind of an attack over a different one?

[ATTACK_PRIORITY:SECOND] makes it so that the stings would only happen if the other attacks become impossible (or in the next version, when they get good opportunities for stings). Having multiple different attacks may help outside fortress mode. If you want to make the sting less deadly, you can reduce the contact and penetration percentage a bit, or add the [ATTACK_VELOCITY_MODIFIER:x] tag, with x lower than 100. All should still allow injecting the venom.

[Akjosch]

Any idea if it's possible to modify the chance with which they take one kind of an attack over a different one?

[ATTACK_PRIORITY:SECOND] makes it so that the stings would only happen if the other attacks become impossible (or in the next version, when they get good opportunities for stings). Having multiple different attacks may help outside fortress mode. If you want to make the sting less deadly, you can reduce the contact and penetration percentage a bit, or add the [ATTACK_VELOCITY_MODIFIER:x] tag, with x lower than 100. All should still allow injecting the venom.

The idea was more along the lines of "on average, 90% of the attacks are bites and 10% of them are stings, due to the fact that stings aren't as easy to do (for the queens, who are rather large, that is)". Seems not possible right now, though; but so are a lot of things I'd like to add to the buggers (like: scavenging and eating body parts; dismembering corpses; building nests; feeding the larvae, queens and drones; "baby" stage having a different bodyplan; own drones getting butchered for food if there is no other alternative; fungus farming; different castes having different job preferences and so on) so I'll just add what can be done and request the other stuff in the suggestion forum.

[Ieb]

Technically, LARGE_PREDATOR, but that behavior appears to be bugged currently - there appear to be no historical figures "hunting great beasts", so no predators attack or kill them, so no predators get names, so no named predators join in on monster rampages.

Huh. I recalled that tag was supposed to do that stuff, but I didn't know that it was bugged.
Sad face. : (

Oh well. I guess it'll get fixed sooner or later.
That or I create semi-mega versions out of all mah critters. Thanks for the answer.

[krisslanza]

I tried it on my own, to no avail. I'm trying to use this icon here:


And the code I used is

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graphics_koakuma

[OBJECT:GRAPHICS]

[TILE_PAGE:KOAKUMA]
[FILE:koakuma/koa.png]
[TILE_DIM:16:16]
[PAGE_DIM:16:16]

[CREATURE_GRAPHICS:KOAKUMA]
[STANDARD:KOAKUMA:1:0:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[DEFAULT:KOAKUMA:0:0:ADD_COLOR:DEFAULT]
However when I generated a new world, the Koakumas were all replaced with just black squares. Anyone know why?

[EmperorJon]

@EmperorJon: I had this error mostly when I tried to add body parts after I already set up BODY_DETAIL_PLANs. In the end, the most sensible way for me was to define castes first, then BODY and corresponding BODYGLOSS tags for the castes, then modify some RELSIZEs so they have slightly different proportions, and then add BODY_DETAIL_PLANs for all of them at once (after [SELECT_CASTE:ALL]).

Unfortunately being a complete and utter DF modding noob I have no idea what the difference is between the different body detail plan files, and bodygloss...?

[Akjosch]

@EmperorJon: I had this error mostly when I tried to add body parts after I already set up BODY_DETAIL_PLANs. In the end, the most sensible way for me was to define castes first, then BODY and corresponding BODYGLOSS tags for the castes, then modify some RELSIZEs so they have slightly different proportions, and then add BODY_DETAIL_PLANs for all of them at once (after [SELECT_CASTE:ALL]).

Unfortunately being a complete and utter DF modding noob I have no idea what the difference is between the different body detail plan files, and bodygloss...?

[BODY:...] adds body parts (defined in files with [OBJECT:BODY] at the start; body_default.txt for example). Torsos, arms, heads, necks, eyes, teeth, hearth, guts, stuff like that.

[BODYGLOSS:...] renames some of the body parts, and is defined in the same place. It's purely descriptive, without any mechanical differences. For example, [BODYGLOSS:LEG_STUMP] renames every "leg" of the creature to a "stump". In my experience, they only work on the body parts which you added before the tag; so adding some [BODY:FRONT_LEGS], then doing [BODYGLOSS:LEG_STUMP] and finally adding [BODY:HIND_LEGS] will only make the front legs into stumps.

[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:...] has several distinct goals: First, to add material definitions, and then to add tissues based on those materials. Those definitions (added by [ADD_MATERIAL:materialname:reference to a material template] and [ADD_TISSUE:tissuename:reference to a tissue template] respectively) then get used further down the line to add tissue layers. Finally, body detail plans can also detail relative sizes of body parts and their positions relative to each other. The exact definitions are in files starting with [OBJECT:BODY_DETAIL_PLAN]; like b_detail_plan_default.txt.  The important thing to remember is that they only act upon the body parts you defined until this point of the creature definition file; any additional [BODY:...] tags added later won't get the materials and tissues which were added before. Also, you should add materials ([BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_MATERIALS for example) before tissues ([BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_TISSUES]).

In general, I prefer to work it in this structure:

1. Add general body parts which every caste will have.
2. Add castes.
3. Group castes (by using [SELECT_CASTE:...] followed by optional [SELECT_ADDITIONAL_CASTE:...] tags) and add body parts which only they have in common; also, use this part to change relative proportion (using [RELSIZE:...]) of body parts where needed.
4. [SELECT_CASTE:ALL] and add use the [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:...] tags to add all needed materials, then all tissues, then to define relative sizes and positions; add modifiers for them if you like thereafter.

For  the giant ants I'm working at right now, this looks like following (ignore the BODY and BODY_DETAIL_PLAN names you don't know or have; I had to add quite a few of them to make it actually look like an insect):

1. I skip part 1
2. Castes:

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== Castes ==
[CASTE:WORKER]
[CASTE_NAME:giant ant worker:giant ant workers:giant ant worker]
Female, but non-breeding.
[POP_RATIO:10000]
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:5000] -- 5kg
[BODY_SIZE:1:0:100000] -- 100kg
[CASTE:SOLDIER]
[CASTE_NAME:giant ant soldier:giant ant soldiers:giant ant soldier]
Female, but non-breeding.
[POP_RATIO:1000]
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:5000] -- 5kg
[BODY_SIZE:1:0:200000] -- 200kg
[CASTE:DRONE]
[MALE]
[CASTE_NAME:giant ant drone:giant ant drones:giant ant drone]
[POP_RATIO:5]
[SPEED:650] -- fast, but a bit slower than the others
[FLIER]
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:5000] -- 5kg
[BODY_SIZE:1:0:100000] -- 100kg
[CASTE:QUEEN]
[FEMALE]
[CASTE_NAME:giant ant queen:giant ant queens:giant ant queen]
[POP_RATIO:1]
[SPEED:2500] -- very slow
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:10000] -- 10kg
[BODY_SIZE:1:0:1000000] -- 1000kg
[MAXAGE:40:50]

3. Adding bodies, and then changing the relative sizes of them a bit. Also, BODYGLOSS to rename "upper body" to "thorax", "lower body" to "abdomen" and "foot" to "claw":

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== Bodies ==
Body definition - drones have additional 2WINGS_INSECTOID
[SELECT_CASTE:WORKER]
[SELECT_ADDITIONAL_CASTE:SOLDIER]
[SELECT_ADDITIONAL_CASTE:QUEEN]
[BODY:INSECT_DETAILED:2EYES:2ANTENNAE:DORSAL_AORTA:INSECT_GUTS:BRAIN:MOUTH:SMALL_MANDIBLES:INSECTOID_JOINTS:ABDOMEN_STINGER]
[BODYGLOSS:INSECT_UPPERBODY:INSECT_LOWERBODY:CLAW_FOOT]
[SELECT_CASTE:DRONE]
[BODY:INSECT_DETAILED:2EYES:2ANTENNAE:DORSAL_AORTA:INSECT_GUTS:BRAIN:MOUTH:SMALL_MANDIBLES:2WINGS_INSECTOID:INSECTOID_JOINTS:ABDOMEN_STINGER]
[BODYGLOSS:INSECT_UPPERBODY:INSECT_LOWERBODY:CLAW_FOOT]
Bigger upper body to make place for more muscles, for flying
[RELSIZE:BY_CATEGORY:BODY_UPPER:800] default 500
[SELECT_CASTE:SOLDIER]
Bigger mandibles
[RELSIZE:BY_CATEGORY:CLAW:100] default 50
[SELECT_CASTE:QUEEN]
Relatively bigger bodies for the queens
[RELSIZE:BY_CATEGORY:BODY_UPPER:700] default 500
[RELSIZE:BY_CATEGORY:BODY_LOWER:1500] default 1000


4. Finally, adding all the materials (CHITIN_MATERIALS), tissues (INSECT_TISSUES and INSECT_DIGESTIVE_LAYERS to make muscles without arteries in them and chitin-lined parts of the digestive tract) and assigning finishing touches:

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[SELECT_CASTE:ALL]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:CHITIN_MATERIALS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:INSECT_TISSUES]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:INSECT_DIGESTIVE_LAYERS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:EXOSKELETON_TISSUE_LAYERS:CHITIN:FAT:MUSCLE]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_HEAD_POSITIONS]
[SELECT_TISSUE_LAYER:HEART:BY_CATEGORY:HEART]
[TL_MAJOR_ARTERIES]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:CHITIN]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BLACK:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:chitin:SINGULAR]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EYE:EYE]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BLACK:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]


For reference, the current additional body parts used in this giant ant are those:

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[BODY:INSECT_DETAILED]
[BP:UB:thorax:thoraxes][UPPERBODY][CATEGORY:BODY_UPPER]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:500]
[BP:HD:head:STP][CON:UB][HEAD][CATEGORY:HEAD]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:500]
[BP:LB:abdomen:STP][CON:UB][LOWERBODY][CATEGORY:BODY_LOWER]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:1000]
[BP:RFF:right front femur:STP][CON:UB][LIMB][RIGHT][CATEGORY:LEG_FRONT]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:60]
[BP:LFF:left front femur:STP][CON:UB][LIMB][RIGHT][CATEGORY:LEG_FRONT]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:60]
[BP:RFT:right front tibia:STP][CON:RFF][LIMB][RIGHT][CATEGORY:LEG_FRONT]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:40]
[BP:LFT:left front tibia:STP][CON:LFF][LIMB][RIGHT][CATEGORY:LEG_FRONT]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:40]
Technically, the feet are called "tarsus" / "tarsi", but that's just a fancy (latin) name for "feet", really
[BP:RF1:right front foot:right front feet][CON:RFT][STANCE][RIGHT][CATEGORY:FOOT_FRONT]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:20]
[BP:LF1:left front foot:left front feet][CON:LFT][STANCE][LEFT][CATEGORY:FOOT_FRONT]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:20]
[BP:RCF:right central femur:STP][CON:UB][LIMB][RIGHT][CATEGORY:LEG_FRONT]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:60]
[BP:LCF:left central femur:STP][CON:UB][LIMB][RIGHT][CATEGORY:LEG_FRONT]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:60]
[BP:RCT:right central tibia:STP][CON:RCF][LIMB][RIGHT][CATEGORY:LEG_FRONT]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:40]
[BP:LCT:left central tibia:STP][CON:LCF][LIMB][RIGHT][CATEGORY:LEG_FRONT]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:40]
[BP:RC1:right central foot:right central feet][CON:RCT][STANCE][RIGHT][CATEGORY:FOOT_FRONT]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:20]
[BP:LC1:left central foot:left central feet][CON:LCT][STANCE][LEFT][CATEGORY:FOOT_FRONT]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:20]
[BP:RRF:right rear femur:STP][CON:UB][LIMB][RIGHT][CATEGORY:LEG_REAR]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:60]
[BP:LRF:left rear femur:STP][CON:UB][LIMB][RIGHT][CATEGORY:LEG_REAR]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:60]
[BP:RRT:right rear tibia:STP][CON:RRF][LIMB][RIGHT][CATEGORY:LEG_REAR]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:40]
[BP:LRT:left rear tibia:STP][CON:LRF][LIMB][RIGHT][CATEGORY:LEG_REAR]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:40]
[BP:RR1:right rear foot:right rear feet][CON:RRT][STANCE][RIGHT][CATEGORY:FOOT_REAR]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:20]
[BP:LR1:left rear foot:left rear feet][CON:LRT][STANCE][LEFT][CATEGORY:FOOT_REAR]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:20]

Insectoid joints (for the legs for now)
[BODY:INSECTOID_JOINTS]
[BP:RFC_J:right front coxa:STP][CON:RFF][JOINT][SMALL][INTERNAL][RIGHT][CATEGORY:JOINT]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:15]
[BP:LFC_J:left front coxa:STP][CON:LFF][JOINT][SMALL][INTERNAL][LEFT][CATEGORY:JOINT]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:15]
[BP:RCC_J:right central coxa:STP][CON:RCF][JOINT][SMALL][INTERNAL][RIGHT][CATEGORY:JOINT]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:15]
[BP:LCC_J:left central coxa:STP][CON:LCF][JOINT][SMALL][INTERNAL][LEFT][CATEGORY:JOINT]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:15]
[BP:RRC_J:right rear coxa:STP][CON:RRF][JOINT][SMALL][INTERNAL][RIGHT][CATEGORY:JOINT]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:15]
[BP:LRC_J:left rear coxa:STP][CON:LRF][JOINT][SMALL][INTERNAL][LEFT][CATEGORY:JOINT]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:15]
[BP:RFK_J:right front knee:STP][CON:RFT][JOINT][SMALL][INTERNAL][RIGHT][CATEGORY:JOINT]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:4]
[BP:LFK_J:left front knee:STP][CON:LFT][JOINT][SMALL][INTERNAL][LEFT][CATEGORY:JOINT]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:4]
[BP:RCK_J:right central knee:STP][CON:RCT][JOINT][SMALL][INTERNAL][RIGHT][CATEGORY:JOINT]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:4]
[BP:LCK_J:left central knee:STP][CON:LCT][JOINT][SMALL][INTERNAL][LEFT][CATEGORY:JOINT]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:4]
[BP:RRK_J:right rear knee:STP][CON:RRT][JOINT][SMALL][INTERNAL][RIGHT][CATEGORY:JOINT]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:4]
[BP:LRK_J:left rear knee:STP][CON:LRT][JOINT][SMALL][INTERNAL][LEFT][CATEGORY:JOINT]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:4]

Dorsal aorta (heart equivalent) in insects, two parts, "upper" in thorax and "lower" in abdomen
[BODY:DORSAL_AORTA]
[BP:UDA:upper dorsal aorta:STP][CONTYPE:UPPERBODY][CIRCULATION][INTERNAL][SMALL][CATEGORY:HEART]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:150]
[BP:LDA:lower dorsal aorta:STP][CONTYPE:LOWERBODY][CIRCULATION][INTERNAL][SMALL][CATEGORY:HEART]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:150]

Ant antennae (by Deon, "Genesis" mod)
[BODY:2ANTENNAE]
[BP:R_EAR:right antenna:STP][CONTYPE:HEAD][HEAR][RIGHT][CATEGORY:EAR]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:15]
[BP:L_EAR:left antenna:STP][CONTYPE:HEAD][HEAR][LEFT][CATEGORY:EAR]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:15]

Non-limb wings (to avoid "grasping" with them)
[BODY:2WINGS_INSECTOID]
[BP:RWINGI:right wing:STP][CONTYPE:UPPERBODY][RIGHT][FLIER][CATEGORY:WING]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:500]
[BP:LWINGI:left wing:STP][CONTYPE:UPPERBODY][LEFT][FLIER][CATEGORY:WING]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:500]

Stinger connecting to the lower body (abdomen)
[BODY:ABDOMEN_STINGER]
[BP:ABDOMEN_STINGER:stinger:STP][CONTYPE:LOWERBODY][CATEGORY:STINGER][SMALL][SOCKET]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:40]

(Comparatively) small mandibles without muscles within the structure
(thus CATEGORY:CLAW, to not have to rewrite the exoskeleton body plan)
[BODY:SMALL_MANDIBLES]
[BP:R_SMAND:right mandible:STP][CONTYPE:HEAD][CATEGORY:CLAW]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:50]
[BP:L_SMAND:left mandible:STP][CONTYPE:HEAD][CATEGORY:CLAW]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:50]

Only really useful for giant insects ...
[BODY:INSECT_GUTS]
[BP:STOMACH:foregut:STP][CONTYPE:UPPERBODY][INTERNAL][SMALL][CATEGORY:FOREGUT]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:400]
[BP:MGUTS:midgut:STP][CONTYPE:LOWERBODY][GUTS][INTERNAL][SMALL][CATEGORY:GUTS]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:300]
[BP:HGUTS:hindgut:STP][CONTYPE:LOWERBODY][GUTS][INTERNAL][SMALL][CATEGORY:GUTS]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:300]
[BP:TUBULES:malpighian tubules:NP][CONTYPE:LOWERBODY][GUTS][INTERNAL][SMALL][CATEGORY:GUTS]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:200] -- Between 2 and 100 of them in an insect


And the end result looks something like this:
Worker

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Soldier

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Drone

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Queen

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Size comparison

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[EmperorJon]

Wow, super thanks!

I seem to have managed to get everything working anway. Any bits of information on what certain body part tags like SMALL, EMBEDDED etc. do? What effects?

Thanks again so much. Considered putting something like this on the wiki?

[Akjosch]

Wow, super thanks!

I seem to have managed to get everything working anway. Any bits of information on what certain body part tags like SMALL, EMBEDDED etc. do? What effects?

[SMALL] makes them not show up in the damage overview until actually damaged ([INTERNAL] does too, but it also puts it behind the tissue layers of the body part it is connected to). No idea if it does anything else. Also, [EMBEDDED] probably means this body part can't be ripped off, but I'm not sure.

Thanks again so much. Considered putting something like this on the wiki?

If I have it in a somewhat-readable form instead of a "stream of consciousness" like here, I might. For now, I need some more tweaking to get my giant ants just right.