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[Toastergargletop]

OK, so I'm looking through the RAWs with the idea in mind of making this happen:

bee -> bee hive -> farmer tends/collects -> honey -> Still ->Dwarven Mead

so, I'm thinking that bees would be the same as ants, but how would i make them stick to their hives?  how do i make hives appear??  i think i can work out the rest, but i need some help getting started!  i will share what i come up with, of course.


Also, i was thinking a short cut would be to make a plant that is called a "bee hive" and make it produce honey as its extract.  maybe a creature called a "bee hive"?

another possibility would be to make some sort of giant bee that is a domestic creature and make it milk-able.

[Upright Path]

I've been thinking about something like this....

'Aviary' Building, that requires masonry to build.

Then a bunch of reactions that sort of 'go through' a motion, requiring a 'Queen Bee' (Plant? Rock? SiegeAmmo without a 'class'?).

Queen Bee->Bee Hive->Cultivated Hive->Honey+Chance at another Queen Bee or something.

[Harmonica]

GIANT BEE. Oh god, do this. 

After you're done doing that, we can figure out how to make hives

edit: if you don't want to do the giant bee thing, tell us, and I will try to do that since it's an awesome idea.

[Toastergargletop]

hey, go for it!

at the moment i'm trying to work out how ant hills are spawned and where in the raws it mentions them.

[Harmonica]

I was looking at the page for purring maggots which is partially outdated for df2010, but still seems like it might hold some kind of key.

I'm thinking for hives, some kind of combination of a vermin, which is milkable, which you can trap, might work.

Although having looked at the creature_insects.txt data for the ant, it looks like a pretty good basis, though not sure how the colony works like you say.

[Thundrim]

There was an old C-64 game called "Forbidden Forest", you will be hard pressed to create Bees with that much passion for gory mutilation. But maybe this is the game that can carry on the tradition. I have seen things here that comes *very* close.

If not for the enormous pixels in that old game, the display of gruesome creatures and how they liked to devour and fill up the poor player Archer with various liquids, could easily create some proper respect for forest life in general. :p

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[Toastergargletop]

so, i have so far a cave bee.  i made it milk-able, but I'm not to sure how i feel about it.  i think i might try to add a plant extract tag instead unless someone can change the mat_gloss of this so that the honey becomes a unique substance?

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[CREATURE:CAVE_BEES]
[DESCRIPTION:A bee as big as a dog that collects nectar and honey that can be harvested.]
[NAME:cave bee:cave bees:cave bee]
[CASTE_NAME:cave bee:cave bees:cave bee]
[CREATURE_TILE:249][COLOR:6:0:0]
[NATURAL][PET][COMMON_DOMESTIC]
[PETVALUE:300]
[BIOME:NOT_FREEZING]
[VERMIN_EATER][PENETRATEPOWER:2][VERMIN_GROUNDER]
[VERMIN_NOTRAP]
[POPULATION_NUMBER:250:500]
[TRIGGERABLE_GROUP:5:50]
[SMALL_REMAINS]
[SPEED:2900]
[PREFSTRING:big stingers]
[FLIER]
[ALL_ACTIVE]
[NO_SLEEP]
[HOMEOTHERM:10071]
[SWIMS_INNATE][SWIM_SPEED:2500]
[MUNDANE]
[NOT_BUTCHERABLE]
[NOBONES]
[BODY:INSECT:2EYES:HEART:GUTS:BRAIN:MOUTH:2WINGS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:CHITIN_MATERIALS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:CHITIN_TISSUES]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:EXOSKELETON_TISSUE_LAYERS:CHITIN:FAT:MUSCLE]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_HEAD_POSITIONS]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SINEW:SINEW_TEMPLATE]
[TENDONS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
[LIGAMENTS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
[HAS_NERVES]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:ICHOR:ICHOR_TEMPLATE]
[BLOOD:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:ICHOR:LIQUID]
[CREATURE_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[GETS_WOUND_INFECTIONS]
[GETS_INFECTIONS_FROM_ROT]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:PUS:PUS_TEMPLATE]
[PUS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:PUS:LIQUID]
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:30]
[MAXAGE:5:15]
[CASTE:FEMALE]
[FEMALE]
[MULTIPLE_LITTER_RARE]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:MILK:MILK_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME:ALL_SOLID:frozen honey]
[STATE_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:frozen honey]
[STATE_NAME:LIQUID:cave bee honey]
[STATE_ADJ:LIQUID:cave bee honey]
[STATE_NAME:GAS:boiling honey]
[STATE_ADJ:GAS:boiling honey]
[PREFIX:NONE]
[MILKABLE:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:MILK:20000]
[CASTE:MALE]
[MALE]
[SELECT_CASTE:ALL]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:CHITIN]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:STRIPES_ORANGE_BLACK:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:chitin:SINGULAR]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EYE:EYE]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BLACK:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]

untested at this stage
doesn't work at this stage.

[Toastergargletop]

Ok, sweet sweet honey!

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[CREATURE:CAVE_BEES]
[DESCRIPTION:Bees that live in caves and are the size of a cat.]
[NAME:cave bee:cave bees:cave bee]
[CASTE_NAME:cave bee:cave bees:cave bee]
[CREATURE_TILE:249][COLOR:6:0:0]
[NATURAL][PET][COMMON_DOMESTIC]
[PETVALUE:300]
[BIOME:NOT_FREEZING]
[PENETRATEPOWER:2]
[POPULATION_NUMBER:250:500]
[TRIGGERABLE_GROUP:5:50]
[SMALL_REMAINS]
[SPEED:2900]
[PREFSTRING:big stingers]
[FLIER]
[ALL_ACTIVE]
[NO_SLEEP]
[HOMEOTHERM:10071]
[SWIMS_INNATE][SWIM_SPEED:2500]
[MUNDANE]
[NOT_BUTCHERABLE]
[NOBONES]
[BODY:INSECT:2EYES:HEART:GUTS:BRAIN:MOUTH:2WINGS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:CHITIN_MATERIALS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:CHITIN_TISSUES]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:EXOSKELETON_TISSUE_LAYERS:CHITIN:FAT:MUSCLE]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_HEAD_POSITIONS]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SINEW:SINEW_TEMPLATE]
[TENDONS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
[LIGAMENTS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
[HAS_NERVES]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:ICHOR:ICHOR_TEMPLATE]
[BLOOD:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:ICHOR:LIQUID]
[CREATURE_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[GETS_WOUND_INFECTIONS]
[GETS_INFECTIONS_FROM_ROT]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:PUS:PUS_TEMPLATE]
[PUS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:PUS:LIQUID]
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:30]
[MAXAGE:5:15]
[CASTE:FEMALE]
[FEMALE]
[MULTIPLE_LITTER_RARE]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:MILK:MILK_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME:ALL_SOLID:frozen honey]
[STATE_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:frozen honey]
[STATE_NAME:LIQUID:cave bee honey]
[STATE_ADJ:LIQUID:cave bee honey]
[STATE_NAME:GAS:boiling honey]
[STATE_ADJ:GAS:boiling honey]
[PREFIX:NONE]
[MILKABLE:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:MILK:20000]
[CASTE:MALE]
[MALE]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:MILK:MILK_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME:ALL_SOLID:frozen honey]
[STATE_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:frozen honey]
[STATE_NAME:LIQUID:cave bee honey]
[STATE_ADJ:LIQUID:cave bee honey]
[STATE_NAME:GAS:boiling honey]
[STATE_ADJ:GAS:boiling honey]
[PREFIX:NONE]
[MILKABLE:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:MILK:20000]
[SELECT_CASTE:ALL]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:CHITIN]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:STRIPES_ORANGE_BLACK:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:chitin:SINGULAR]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EYE:EYE]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BLACK:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]

next step is to make a booze from it!

[Toastergargletop]

shameless bump for help!

[HonkyPunch]

A dog sized bee?
What hath we wrought?
(what do you need help with?)

[Toastergargletop]

well as it stands the bee has been made milkable, but i don't think that "milk" thats been renamed honey is what i want.  i need to be able to turn the honey into Mead, but i can't work out how to do that.

i have also made no progress on making ordinary bees that live in be hives that are able to be harvested.

[Asmodeous]

I would make a BeeHive plant, and allow it to be grown in the summer season on surface maps, and that you can extract honey from it at a workshop.

[HonkyPunch]

Check the plant_standard.txt in your raw folder, that should give you an idea of how to make alcohol. I'm not terribly certain how to do it, but that might be helpful.

[shadow_slicer]

well as it stands the bee has been made milkable, but i don't think that "milk" thats been renamed honey is what i want.  i need to be able to turn the honey into Mead, but i can't work out how to do that.

i have also made no progress on making ordinary bees that live in be hives that are able to be harvested.

Why don't you make a new template based on the MILK_TEMPLATE. This template may also need to have the [DRINK:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:DRINK] instead of the Milk/cheese reaction stuff. You'll also need to define the drink in the creature.

Let's see. Maybe something like this:

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[CREATURE:CAVE_BEES]
[DESCRIPTION:Bees that live in caves and are the size of a cat.]
[NAME:cave bee:cave bees:cave bee]
[CASTE_NAME:cave bee:cave bees:cave bee]
[CREATURE_TILE:249][COLOR:6:0:0]
[NATURAL][PET][COMMON_DOMESTIC]
[PETVALUE:300]
[BIOME:NOT_FREEZING]
[PENETRATEPOWER:2]
[POPULATION_NUMBER:250:500]
[TRIGGERABLE_GROUP:5:50]
[SMALL_REMAINS]
[SPEED:2900]
[PREFSTRING:big stingers]
[FLIER]
[ALL_ACTIVE]
[NO_SLEEP]
[HOMEOTHERM:10071]
[SWIMS_INNATE][SWIM_SPEED:2500]
[MUNDANE]
[NOT_BUTCHERABLE]
[NOBONES]
[BODY:INSECT:2EYES:HEART:GUTS:BRAIN:MOUTH:2WINGS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:CHITIN_MATERIALS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:CHITIN_TISSUES]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:EXOSKELETON_TISSUE_LAYERS:CHITIN:FAT:MUSCLE]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_HEAD_POSITIONS]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SINEW:SINEW_TEMPLATE]
[TENDONS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
[LIGAMENTS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
[HAS_NERVES]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:ICHOR:ICHOR_TEMPLATE]
[BLOOD:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:ICHOR:LIQUID]
[CREATURE_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[GETS_WOUND_INFECTIONS]
[GETS_INFECTIONS_FROM_ROT]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:PUS:PUS_TEMPLATE]
[PUS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:PUS:LIQUID]
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:30]
[MAXAGE:5:15]
[CASTE:FEMALE]
[FEMALE]
[MULTIPLE_LITTER_RARE]

[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:MEAD:PLANT_ALCOHOL_TEMPLATE]
        [STATE_NAME:ALL_SOLID:frozen mead]
        [STATE_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:frozen mead]
        [STATE_NAME:LIQUID:cave bee mead]
        [STATE_ADJ:LIQUID:cave bee mead]
        [STATE_NAME:GAS:boiling mead]
        [STATE_ADJ:GAS:boiling mead]
        [EDIBLE_RAW]
        [EDIBLE_COOKED]
        [PREFIX:NONE]
[MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:HONEY]
        [STATE_COLOR:ALL_SOLID:BROWN]
        [STATE_NAME:ALL_SOLID:frozen honey]
        [STATE_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:frozen honey]
        [STATE_NAME:LIQUID:cave bee honey]
        [STATE_ADJ:LIQUID:cave bee honey]
        [STATE_COLOR:LIQUID:BROWN]
        [STATE_NAME:GAS:boiling honey]
        [STATE_ADJ:GAS:boiling honey]
        [STATE_COLOR:GAS:BROWN]
        [STATE_NAME:GAS:n/a]
        [STATE_ADJ:GAS:n/a]
        [DISPLAY_COLOR:6:0:0]
        [MATERIAL_VALUE:1]
        [SPEC_HEAT:4181]
        [IGNITE_POINT:10338]
        [MELTING_POINT:10000]
        [BOILING_POINT:10180]
        [HEATDAM_POINT:NONE]
        [COLDDAM_POINT:NONE]
        [MAT_FIXED_TEMP:NONE]
        [SOLID_DENSITY:500]
        [LIQUID_DENSITY:1000]
        [MOLAR_MASS:NONE]
        [IMPACT_YIELD:10000]
        [IMPACT_FRACTURE:10000]
        [IMPACT_ELASTICITY:100]
        [COMPRESSIVE_YIELD:10000]
        [COMPRESSIVE_FRACTURE:10000]
        [COMPRESSIVE_ELASTICITY:100]
        [TENSILE_YIELD:10000]
        [TENSILE_FRACTURE:10000]
        [TENSILE_ELASTICITY:100]
        [TORSION_YIELD:10000]
        [TORSION_FRACTURE:10000]
        [TORSION_ELASTICITY:100]
        [SHEAR_YIELD:6600] used high salinity ice
        [SHEAR_FRACTURE:6600]
        [SHEAR_ELASTICITY:100]
        [BENDING_YIELD:10000]
        [BENDING_FRACTURE:10000]
        [BENDING_ELASTICITY:100]
        [MAX_EDGE:500]
        [ABSORPTION:100]
        [EDIBLE_VERMIN]
        [EDIBLE_RAW]
        [EDIBLE_COOKED]
        [ROTS]
        [GENERATES_MIASMA]
        [LIQUID_MISC_CREATURE]
        [PREFIX:NONE]
        [DRINK:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:MEAD]
[MILKABLE:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:HONEY:20000]
[CASTE:MALE]
[MALE]
[SELECT_CASTE:ALL]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:CHITIN]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:STRIPES_ORANGE_BLACK:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:chitin:SINGULAR]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EYE:EYE]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BLACK:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]



[Toastergargletop]

thats awesome!  many thanks!