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Author Topic: Axedwarves vs. Axe-elves, a scientific test  (Read 4986 times)

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Re: Axedwarves vs. Axe-elves, a scientific test
« Reply #45 on: April 08, 2010, 06:38:29 am »

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Re: Axedwarves vs. Axe-elves, a scientific test
« Reply #46 on: April 08, 2010, 03:54:59 pm »

Can we use macros in this version?  I made an arena thats just a grid of 3x5 rooms and I figured I could set up a macro to paste one of a creature into each of them, turning a single 1v1 experiment into infinity of them with the push of a button. 
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Re: Axedwarves vs. Axe-elves, a scientific test
« Reply #47 on: April 08, 2010, 04:48:46 pm »

I would guess the edged weapon is a big factor in this.

How about trying fights between dwarfs and elfs armed with low quality (copper?) maces? Maybe add leather armor and shield of some sort.

I'm guessing the elves benefit comes from the edged weapons habit of chopping parts of very efficiently, combined with first strike and lucky hit.  Blunt weapon and armor should help against it. And definately add helmets.

I'd prefer to seeboth sides get about 20 hits before one is knocked out.
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Re: Axedwarves vs. Axe-elves, a scientific test
« Reply #48 on: April 08, 2010, 05:14:09 pm »

I would guess the edged weapon is a big factor in this.

How about trying fights between dwarfs and elfs armed with low quality (copper?) maces? Maybe add leather armor and shield of some sort.

I'm guessing the elves benefit comes from the edged weapons habit of chopping parts of very efficiently, combined with first strike and lucky hit.  Blunt weapon and armor should help against it. And definately add helmets.

I'd prefer to seeboth sides get about 20 hits before one is knocked out.
an elf has a higher speed than dwarves, allowing them to hit quicker than dwarfes.
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Re: Axedwarves vs. Axe-elves, a scientific test
« Reply #49 on: April 08, 2010, 05:18:10 pm »

I would guess the edged weapon is a big factor in this.

How about trying fights between dwarfs and elfs armed with low quality (copper?) maces? Maybe add leather armor and shield of some sort.

I'm guessing the elves benefit comes from the edged weapons habit of chopping parts of very efficiently, combined with first strike and lucky hit.  Blunt weapon and armor should help against it. And definately add helmets.

I'd prefer to seeboth sides get about 20 hits before one is knocked out.
an elf has a higher speed than dwarves, allowing them to hit quicker than dwarfes.

Yes, but hopefully if the hits are not instantly grippling, dwarfs constitution and strenght come in, allowing him to take more hits, and in turn making his hits cause more damage. So will in the long run the fewer, power powerful hits of dwarf counter the more numerous, maybe weaker hits of elf. And how will they handle damage?
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Re: Axedwarves vs. Axe-elves, a scientific test
« Reply #50 on: April 08, 2010, 06:49:22 pm »

I think elves should be weaker than all the other races, but faster. Humans and goblins would be slightly faster than the dwarves with equal strength, but the dwarves would be more 'durable' than the others.
Just how I envision things.
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Re: Axedwarves vs. Axe-elves, a scientific test
« Reply #51 on: April 08, 2010, 07:01:40 pm »

Kobolds should be made of unobtainium with legendary knife user skills at birth.
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Re: Axedwarves vs. Axe-elves, a scientific test
« Reply #52 on: April 08, 2010, 07:04:33 pm »

Kobolds should be made of unobtainium with legendary knife user skills at birth.
Yes except not, and also they should all be killed on world creation and their memories burned from the legends screen.
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Re: Axedwarves vs. Axe-elves, a scientific test
« Reply #53 on: April 08, 2010, 07:05:01 pm »

Kobolds should be made of unobtainium with legendary knife user skills at birth.
Yes except not, and also they should all be killed on world creation and their memories burned from the legends screen.
You're going to hell for this statement.
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Re: Axedwarves vs. Axe-elves, a scientific test
« Reply #54 on: April 08, 2010, 07:32:57 pm »

Can we use macros in this version?  I made an arena thats just a grid of 3x5 rooms and I figured I could set up a macro to paste one of a creature into each of them, turning a single 1v1 experiment into infinity of them with the push of a button. 

Macros were a 40d# thing, but you could use AutoHotkey or something.
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Re: Axedwarves vs. Axe-elves, a scientific test
« Reply #55 on: April 08, 2010, 07:48:55 pm »

Kobolds should be made of unobtainium with legendary knife user skills at birth.
Yes except not, and also they should all be killed on world creation and their memories burned from the legends screen.
You're going to hell for this statement.
I know Right! Kobolds are epic, but not as epic as Dwarfs.
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Re: Axedwarves vs. Axe-elves, a scientific test
« Reply #56 on: April 08, 2010, 08:24:01 pm »

Give the elf a wood axe, and an iron one to the dwarf.
How's it scientific if the elf is wielding a weapon he normally wouldn't?
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Re: Axedwarves vs. Axe-elves, a scientific test
« Reply #57 on: April 08, 2010, 08:42:18 pm »

Give the elf a wood axe, and an iron one to the dwarf.
How's it scientific if the elf is wielding a weapon he normally wouldn't?
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Re: Axedwarves vs. Axe-elves, a scientific test
« Reply #58 on: April 08, 2010, 08:44:18 pm »

Give the elf a wood axe, and an iron one to the dwarf.
How's it scientific if the elf is wielding a weapon he normally wouldn't?
By not giving the dwarf an advantage in equipment, this is 1v1 on 100% equal equipment terms, not trying to be realistic, geeze,
to everyone, these tests are on equal terms, not 'how it should be'.



Now stop asking why we give them metal weapons!
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Re: Axedwarves vs. Axe-elves, a scientific test
« Reply #59 on: April 08, 2010, 09:19:03 pm »

Give the elf a wood axe, and an iron one to the dwarf.
How's it scientific if the elf is wielding a weapon he normally wouldn't?
By not giving the dwarf an advantage in equipment, this is 1v1 on 100% equal equipment terms, not trying to be realistic, geeze,
to everyone, these tests are on equal terms, not 'how it should be'.



Now stop asking why we give them metal weapons!
its not equal if they get 200 speed bonus.
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