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[Nikov]

True story; I got called into my manager's office on an anonymous tip I was a 'communist-hating Nazi'.

Lousy trade union, keeping down the volkish worker.

[ZeroGravitas]

Wait how do you get milking to work now? I haven't been able to find it. Edit: OMG! It's right there on Farmer's Workshop!

Also, what's bigger: "gigantic" or "enormous"?

[Sysice]

One step closer to simulating all of reality.  Are there any genes for giving milk?
I would focus first on gigantic genes, then getting white/cream colored cows. Once you get a herd of mostly gigantic and mixture of light/dark cows, you can start getting rid of the darker ones.

Also, savescumming works with colors! You can have perfect herds in one generation! 

[Torgen]

I think this is where the DF-players-are-Hitler jokes go from being just jokes to still jokes but lose some of their irony.

Still. Someone has to open up a chain of McUrist's sooner or later.

Every kid's meal comes with a kobold cap!

A friend says "You want cave wheat with that?"

A "Big Cap?" Hamburger with grilled plump helmet and a special rhinolizard sauce!

[gerkinzola]

Okay, had a crash but reloaded and the calf was born again, this time male, white and gigantic. Again, all descriptive traits found in the mating couple. With two examples of breeding producing a predictable result, I'm pretty sure I'm onto something. Now the only question; butcher the cream-colored but not gigantic bull and replace it with this one, or let it breed a little more? I don't have a gigantic, white/cream bull to replace it, only a bull calf.

Everyone vote for the incest! woo. 

[Rumrusher]

hey I'll run a burger noble and capitalize on the process of cat spore breeding leading to faster cattle and more beef/workers. yet since darius is waiting for a patch for the bugs I'll have to just go for plan B. "Bronze&Bronze furniture and comforters and statues" and market on luxury beds, cabinets, and statues handcrafted by statues to be sure the quality is living proof that your getting the best.

[ZeroGravitas]

Does anyone have a confirmed list of the various attributes how they correspond to meat and fat on butchering?

So far I've seen:

fat
quite fat
very fat
"bears untold amounts of fat"

very skinny
skinny (part of "enormous yet skinny")

very weak

"isn't very muscular"
muscular

enormous overall
gigantic/gigantic build/gigantic frame

-also no modifiers at all

on donkeys and mules (probably the same for cows) -

[Tenth Speed Writer]

I've heard some evidence against fat and muscle descriptions relating to butchery (though, it was only on a single example). I do, however, think this could be very effective when applied to dogs.

Highest strength and endurance become wardogs, most agile become hunting dogs. Others and any mutts produced between those and dogs-in-service are kept as pets or slaughtered.

[Retro]

Does anyone have a confirmed list of the various attributes how they correspond to meat and fat on butchering?

Saw one (a finished one) go up on the wiki somewhere. I'll go take a look for you and see if I can find it.

ed- Found it in the string dump. There's a lot of them, be warned. Copied anything relevant to body fat/muscle/frame.

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is gigantic with huge muscles and hanging rolls of lard
is huge, muscular and fat
is gigantic but incredibly skinny with virtually no muscles to speak of
is gigantic yet weak and skinny
is gigantic with incredible muscles
is very muscular and just gigantic overall
is gigantic and muscular
is gigantic yet incredibly weak
is enormous yet very weak
isn't very muscular but has a gigantic build
bears untold amounts of fat over a gigantic frame
is very fat and enormous overall
is gigantic and quite fat
is incredibly skinny yet gigantic overall
has an enormous build but is very skinny
is enormous yet skinny
is gigantic
is very large and bears great lard rolls and impressive muscles
is very large, fat and muscular
is very large yet also very weak and incredibly skinny
is weak and skinny yet has a large build overall
is incredibly muscular and very large
is very large and very muscular
is very large with strong muscles
is very weak despite being very large overall
is very large yet weak
isn't strong but is very large
is very large and just incredibly fat
has a very large body with quite a bit of fat on it
is fat and has a very large body overall
has a very large frame but is incredibly skinny
is very large yet quite skinny as well
is skinny but with a very large body overall
is very large
is incredibly muscular and fat, with a large build overall
is large, muscular and fat
has a large body but it is very skinny and frail
is weak and skinny yet has a reasonably large body overall
has bulky muscles on a large body
is very muscular with a large body
is large and muscular
is large yet frail
has a large body but is quite weak
has ill-defined muscles but is large overall
has a large body made larger still by mounds of fat
has a large body and is very fat
is large and fat
has a large body but is incredibly skinny
is large yet very skinny
is large yet skinny
is large
would be lanky were it not for the massive muscles and slabs of lard
is lanky, with strong muscles and some fat
has a tall, skinny body that is very frail
is tall and thin, weak with few traces of fat
is tall and thin with incredible muscles
is tall, thin and very muscular
is muscular, tall and thin
is lanky and frail
is lanky and weak
is lanky with ill-defined muscles
packs extraordinary obesity on to what was once a tall and thin body
has a tall, thin frame but manages to be very fat
has a tall, thin body layered with some fat
has a tall, narrow body that is just incredibly skinny
has a tall, thin frame with very little fat on it
has a tall, thin body with little fat
is lanky
has a short, broad body stacked thick with muscles and lard
is stout, muscular and fat
has a short body that is broad yet with few traces of muscle or fat
has a short broad body but is kind of weak and skinny at the same time
is stout and incredibly muscular
is stout and very muscular
has a stout muscular body
has a short broad body but is very frail
has a short broad body with little in the way of muscles
has a short broad body with ill-defined muscles
is short, broad and morbidly obese
has a short broad body with a lot of fat on it
is short, broad and fat
has a short, broad frame with almost no fat on it
has a short, broad body with very little fat
has a short, broad build overall but is somewhat skinny
is stout
has a massive broad body, highly muscular, with thick rolls of lard hanging from it
has an incredibly broad body with some muscle and fat on it
has an extremely broad frame with few traces of either muscle or fat
has an incredibly broad body that is somewhat weak with only a little fat on it
is incredibly muscular and broad-bodied
is has large muscles on a incredibly broad body
is muscular with an extremely broad body
has an incredibly broad body but is very frail
has an extremely broad body but is weak
is somewhat weak and has a body that is incredibly broad
has an incredibly broad body hung with curtains of lard
has an extremely broad body with lots of fat on it
is fat with an extremely broad body
has an incredibly broad body with almost no fat on it
has an extremely broad body with very little fat
has an extremely broad body with little fat
is incredibly broad-bodied
has a very broad body, with enormous lard pockets packed in with the giant muscles
has a very broad, muscular, fat body
has a very broad body but it is frail with very little fat on it
has a very broad body overall but it is weak with little fat on it
is incredibly muscular and has a very broad body
is very muscular and broad
is muscular and very broad
has a very broad body but it is frail
has ill-defined muscles on an otherwise broad body
has a broad body that is somewhat weak
has a very broad body and is incredibly fat
is very broad and fat
is fat and very broad
has a very broad body but almost no fat
has a very broad frame with very little fat on it
has a very broad body with little fat
is very broad-bodied
has a broad body bearing impressive muscles and a great load of fat
is broad-bodied, muscular and fat
is frail and very skinny yet with an overall broad body
is broad-bodied, though weak and skinny
has incredible muscles stretched over a broad body
is very muscular with a broad body
is broad and muscular
has a broad body but it is very frail
is broad yet weak
is broad with little muscle
has a broad body made broader still by no shortage of surrounding lard
is broad-bodied and very fat
is broad and fat
has a broad body with almost no fat on it
has a broad body with very little fat
has a broad body with little fat
has a broad body
has a long body and would be slim were it not for the massive layers of lard over equally gigantic muscles
has a long, thin body, thickened by muscle and fat
has a long, thin frame, frail with very little fat
has a long, thin body that is somewhat weak with little fat
has a long, thin frame strapped with incredible muscles
is long and thin with strong muscles
is long, thin and muscular
is long and thin but very weak
is long, weak and thin
is long, thin and somewhat weak
has a long, thin frame hidden beneath copious rolls of lard
has a long, thin body with a lot of fat on it
has a long, thin body with some fat on it
has a long, thin body with almost no fat on it
has a long, thin body with very little fat
has a long, thin frame with little fat
is long and slim
could be incredibly thin but has massive lardy rolls and enormous muscles
has managed to put some muscle and fat on an extremely thin frame
is a frail, extremely skinny thing
is weak with little fat and just incredibly thin overall
has an extremely thin body packed with huge muscles
is very muscular and incredibly thin
is muscular and extremely thin
is extremely thin and frail
is very weak and extremely thin
is extremely thin with ill-defined muscles
has an extremely thin frame underlying a massive lardy edifice
has an extremely thin frame with a lot of fat on it
has an incredibly thin frame with some fat on it
has an extremely thin body with almost no fat on it
has an extremely thin body with very litte fat on it
has an incredibly thin body with little fat
is incredibly thin
has a very thin build buried underneath endless muscles and fat
would be very thin but has opted for some muscle and fat
has a very thin, frail body without visible traces of fat
is weak and has a very thin body with very little fat
is incredibly muscular and very thin
is very muscular and thin
is muscular and very thin
is very thin and weak
is weak and very thin
is somewhat scrawny and very thin
would be very thin but bears an enormous lardy burden
has much fat on a very thin frame
has a very thin frame with a bit of fat on it
has a very thin body with almost no fat on it
has a very thin frame with very little fat
has a very thin body with little fat
is very thin
has a thin frame but it is loaded with muscles and great layers of fat
has a generally thin build with some muscle and fat on it
is thin, frail and incredibly skinny
is thin, skinny and weak
is thin but has incredible muscles
is thin and very muscular
is wiry
is thin and frail
is thin and weak
is thin and scrawny
has what was once a thin frame, now bearing enormous, thick layers of fat
has a once-thin frame, now belarded
has a thin frame with some fat on it
has a thin body with almost no fat on it
has a thin body with very little fat
has a thin body with little fat
is thin
is incredibly tall, layered with massive muscles and hanging sacks of lard
is incredibly tall with strong muscles and some fat
is very frail with an extremely tall and skinny body
is incredibly tall and a bit skinny, with ill-defined muscles
is incredibly tall and muscular
is very muscular and extremely tall
is muscular and incredibly tall
is incredibly tall but has a frail body
is incredibly tall yet weak
is scrawny yet extremely tall
is incredibly tall and fat
is very fat and extremely tall
is fat and extremely tall
is incredibly tall and skinny
is very skinny and even more tall
is skinny and extremely tall
is incredibly tall
is very tall with huge muscles and great lardy rolls
is very tall with plenty of muscle and fat
is very tall and skinny but also very weak
is weak and skinny but very tall overall
is very tall with huge muscles
is very tall and muscular
is muscular and very tall
is very tall yet frail
is very tall yet weak
is very tall yet somewhat weak
is very tall with a hanging apron of lard
is very tall and fat
is fat and very tall
is very tall and incredibly skinny
is very tall and skinny
is skinny and very tall
is very tall
is very muscular, tall and obese
is tall, muscular and fat
is tall, extremely skinny and frail
is tall, weak and skinny
has loaded a tall body with incredible muscles
is tall and very muscular
is tall and muscular
is pretty tall but also very frail
is tall but has quite ill-defined muscles
is tall and scrawny
is tall and belarded by great hanging sacks of fat
is tall and very fat
is tall and fat
is tall and incredibly skinny
is tall and very skinny
is tall and skinny
is tall
is incredibly long with impressive muscles and great sacks of lard
is extremely long with muscle and fat in equal measure
is frail and really skinny but also extremely long
is incredibly long yet is also weak and skinny
is incredibly long and muscular
is very muscular and incredibly long
is muscular and extremely long
is very frail and incredibly long
is weak and extremely long
is somewhat weak and extremely long
is incredibly long, encapsulated in massive layers of lard
is extremely long and very fat
is fat and incredibly long
is incredibly long and skinny
is very skinny and extremely long
is skinny and incredibly long
is incredibly long
is extremely muscular and lardy and also very long
is very long, muscular and fat
has a very long body, frail and skinny
is weak and skinny with a very long body overall
is very long and incredibly muscular
is very long and muscular
is muscular and very long
is very long and frail
is weak and very long
is somewhat weak and very long
has a very long body that is beset by a morbid corpulence
is very long and fat
is fat and very long
is very long and incredibly skinny
is very long and skinny
is skinny and very long
is very long
is extremely muscular, obese and long
is long, muscular and fat
has a frail body, long and incredibly skinny
is long, weak and skinny
has an incredibly muscular, long body
is very muscular with a long body
is long and muscular
is long with a frail body
is long but weak
is long and scrawny
is long and incredibly fat
is long and very fat
is fat and long
is long and incredibly skinny
is long and very skinny
is long and skinny
is long
is incredibly short yet has extremely strong muscles hidden under massive lardy rolls
is muscular and fat yet at the same time incredibly short
is extremely short, weak and thin
is weak, skinny and incredibly short
has put on an extreme amount of muscle, especially for one so short
is very muscular and incredibly short
is muscular and extremely short
is incredibly short and frail
is weak and extremely short
is extremely short with little muscle
is incredibly short but somehow packs in an enormous amount of fat
is very fat and extremely short
is fat and incredibly short
is incredibly short and skinny
is very skinny and extremely short
is skinny and incredibly short
is incredibly short
is very short but covered with great amounts of lard and with huge muscles
is very short yet muscular and fat
is very short, very weak and very skinny
is weak, skinny and very short
packs enormous muscles on to a very short body
is very muscular and very short
is very short with well-defined muscular
is very weak and very short
is weak and really short
is somewhat weak and very short
carries massive amounts of fat, especially for one so short
is very short and fat
is fat and very short
is very short and incredibly skinny
is very short and skinny
is skinny and very short
is very short
is short yet layered with equal parts of giant muscles and lardy slabs
isn't very tall but makes up for it with muscle and fat
is short, very weak and incredibly skinny
is weak, short and skinny
isn't tall but has incredible muscles
is short with well-defined muscles
is short and muscular
is short and very weak
is weak and short
is short and not very strong
is short and just incredibly fat
is short and obese
is short and fat
is short and incredibly skinny
is short and very skinny
is short and skinny
is short
is as short as can be yet has great muscles and rolls of lard
is incredibly short, if muscular and fat
is incredibly short, skinny and frail
is weak and skinny as well as incredibly short
has an extremely short body that is incredibly muscular
is very muscular if incredibly short
is as short as they come and very frail on top of that
is weak as well as incredibly short
is scrawny and extremely short
is incredibly short and bears massive lardy rolls
has an incredibly short body but still manages to be very fat
is very skinny and even more short
is skinny and extremely short
is very short yet impressively muscular and enormously fat
is very short in length but muscular and fat as well
is very short, weak and skinny
is weak and skinny and also very short
carries great muscles on a very short body
is very short and muscular
is muscular and very short
is very short and frail
is very short and quite weak
is very short with ill-defined muscles
has a very short body buttressed by rolls of lard
is short with great muscles and copious amounts of lard
is short in length but muscular and fat
is weak, skinny and short
is incredibly muscular if a little short
is very muscular with a short body
is short and weak
is short and scrawny
is short and incredibly fat
is short and very fat
is strapped with massive amounts of muscle and lard
is muscular and fat
is very weak and incredibly skinny
is weak and skinny
is incredibly muscular
is very muscular
is muscular
is very weak
is weak
is scrawny
is corpulent
is very fat
is fat
is incredibly skinny
is very skinny
is skinny
is average in size
has a small build yet is strapped with massive amounts of muscle and lard
has a small build but is muscular and fat
has a small build and is very weak and incredibly skinny
has a small build and is weak and skinny
has incredible muscles over a small build
is very muscular yet has a small build
is small yet muscular
is very weak and small
is weak and small
is small and scrawny
packs massive amounts of fat on to a small build
has a small build but is very fat
is small and fat
is incredibly skinny with a small build
is very skinny with a small build
is skinny with a small build
is small
is very small yet with huge slabs of lard and muscle
is muscular and fat yet has a very small overall build
is very weak, skinny and small
is weak, skinny and very small
is incredibly muscular for one so small
is very small yet very muscular
is muscular and very small
is weak and very small
is very small with ill-defined muscles
has a very small body bedecked with lardy rolls
is very small and fat
is fat and very small
is incredibly skinny and very small
is very small and skinny
is skinny and very small
is very small
is tiny yet incredibly muscular and lardy
is muscular and fat and very, very small
is incredibly small, weak and skinny, so as to be almost nothing
is tiny, skinny and weak
is a minuscule bundle of muscles
has an extremely small body but it is very muscular
is muscular yet with a incredibly small body overall
is tiny and utterly weak
is tiny and weak
is tiny with ill-defined muscles
bears an enormous amount of fat for one so tiny
is tiny yet very fat
is fat yet tiny
is tiny overall and in particular incredibly skinny
is very skinny with an overall minuscule build
is incredibly small and skinny
is tiny

"Beset by morbid obesity" was the worst I found.

[ZeroGravitas]

interesting. looks like with cows at least we are working with:

1. size
2. fat vs skinny
3. muscular vs weak

for example:

"is (gigantic) but (incredibly skinny) with (virtually no muscles to speak of)"

or

"(very large) and (bears great lard rolls) and (impressive muscles)

If there's nothing written it's probaby an average modifier.

Like creature personalities these are probably on a scale from 0-100 with things like 0-20 all being described the same.

Obviously different creatures might have different ones, like cows probably don't have tallness but dwarves do.

[Kagus]

Alright, I'm gonna run some tests regarding cow attributes and butchery through arena mode.  Gimme a moment.

EDIT:  Alright, the first test group seems to confirm that there IS some correlation between description and result.

Cow 1, "Huge, Fat, Muscular":

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Intestines (2)
Fat (9)
Meat (14)

Cow 2, "Very Fat, Enormous"

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Intestines (1)
Fat (9)
Meat (12)

Cow 3, "Very Fat, Enormous"
(Same as Cow 2)

Cow 4, "Gigantic, Incredible Muscles"

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Intestines (2)
Fat (9)
Meat (22)

I would've continued with a larger (and more controllable, due to them not killing each other) test group, but I, ah, experienced certain "difficulties".  Namely, the cows failed to stay intact while getting slaughtered (due to a change in equipment) and it was difficult to accurately track all their components.

[ZeroGravitas]

I was going to test this in my fortress

but I just got wiped out by a goblin ambush and voracious cave crawler simultaneously attacking me from above and below...

so maybe I'll just do a new embark for it.

[Nikov]

Grrr! Goblins ambushed my trade depot with its nearby cattle pastures and slaughtered half my stock! Fortunately a mating pair exists... gigantic and very muscular and enormous muscular. Lets hope I still get a good strain out of this.

[CrossBolt]

I say this guys mother is ready for the way of armok

But anyway this seems interesting, trying to get only the best cows

[Nikov]

My outpost leader was 'belarded by great, hanging sacks of fat'. I hated him. Is there anyway to get dwarves on an exercise program?