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Nate McCloud

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Uses of pipe section?
« on: April 07, 2010, 07:01:13 pm »

Are there any uses of pipe sections besides screw pumps?
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Re: Uses of pipe section?
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2010, 07:02:08 pm »

Trade goods.  Carpenter/blacksmith/mason training.

No, not really.
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Nate McCloud

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Re: Uses of pipe section?
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2010, 07:07:06 pm »

Blast. It'd be nice to be able to use pipes to be able to extend the range of screw pumps to transfer water and magma greater distances more easily.
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Re: Uses of pipe section?
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2010, 11:02:55 pm »

Blast. It'd be nice to be able to use pipes to be able to extend the range of screw pumps to transfer water and magma greater distances more easily.

I personally think it would be nice to use them for drains and water or pressurized steam tubes.
 Also Screw pumps dont work in the way some of us wish they would, they work by bringing water up a hill and dropping it, archimedes screw style, instead of pressuring them upwards.
this means of course you need to make a pump stack levels high in order to get any sort of pressure going on at the bottom.
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Re: Uses of pipe section?
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2010, 11:31:21 pm »

Gah! i was really hoping he would add using of pipe sections into this version!!
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Re: Uses of pipe section?
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2010, 02:45:23 am »

I personally think it would be nice to use them for drains and water or pressurized steam tubes.
 Also Screw pumps dont work in the way some of us wish they would, they work by bringing water up a hill and dropping it, archimedes screw style, instead of pressuring them upwards.
this means of course you need to make a pump stack levels high in order to get any sort of pressure going on at the bottom.

Which bugs me.  The piston type reciprocating pump was invented circa 200 B.C. by a librarian, well within the historical period Toady One has chosen to focus on.  If you've used a hand-driven air pump or a simple hydraulic jack, you've used a bit of history.  Here's a diagram, and here's a mention of a 2000 year old dual Ctesibius pump in perfect working condition.

They work well with windmills, and they can raise a fluid a reasonable distance.  (More vertical distance means more energy required, of course.)  They can pressurize a fluid to put a head on it.  They work well with viscous fluids and fluids containing solid particles.

I would definitely like to be able to build one out of, say, a pipe section, two mechanisms representing the valves, a mechanism representing the piston and cylinder, and maybe a piece of leather representing the gaskets needed to prevent leaks.
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Re: Uses of pipe section?
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2010, 03:31:16 am »

[Pumps] work well with windmills, and they can raise a fluid a reasonable distance.  (More vertical distance means more energy required, of course.)  They can pressurize a fluid to put a head on it.  They work well with viscous fluids and fluids containing solid particles.

I would definitely like to be able to build one out of, say, a pipe section, two mechanisms representing the valves, a mechanism representing the piston and cylinder, and maybe a piece of leather representing the gaskets needed to prevent leaks.
Am I missing something?  You can build such a pump out of a pipe section, a single mechanism, and a block (no need for more mechanisms, or leather for gasket) and you can make it windmill powered with a one or more mechanisms and some freshly felled wood...  And all that can handle both water (purifying it of sediment without clogging up!) and magma, with very little need to overcome mechanical inefficiency until you displace the power quite a long way from the pump, relatively...


What I think you're still after (as with others) is the piping of the liquid straight from the pump (and/or possibly pumps that can be made to pressurise, as well as/instead of somehow negating all incoming pressure).  Pumps aren't the problem.  Unless you actually want them more realistic.  Although a double-throw cylinder-based system with one-way valves can effectively remove all incoming pressure (that it can stand against, leastwise) and be made to only operate while pressure gauges indicate a single level still needs filling from its outflow.
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Re: Uses of pipe section?
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2010, 03:57:31 am »

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Am I missing something?  You can build such a pump out of a pipe section, a single mechanism, and a block

he's not talking about a screw pump.

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Re: Uses of pipe section?
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2010, 04:23:06 am »

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Am I missing something?  You can build such a pump out of a pipe section, a single mechanism, and a block

he's not talking about a screw pump.
Apologies, I'd already abstracted the screw out of my imagery of the pump.  My bad.

[in other words, I did miss something in the original reading...  nothing to see here... move along]
« Last Edit: April 08, 2010, 04:24:57 am by Starver »
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