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[Tenth Speed Writer]

I'm going to break away here, and claim that I do, in fact, like the changed farming system. : )

Yes, having to irrigate all surfaces is rather annoying, but with the new cave systems, it's perfect. Muddy ground is dirt cheap, as is renewable and secure wood resources, but it carries with it the obligation of having a militia constantly on patrol against critters from the depths.

It adds an element of fictional depth to the game, and keeps even an otherwise secure fortress interesting (and, easily, quite Fun.)

[dennislp3]

I dont so much mind it...but with above ground farming being so drastically different (all year round plants and no irrigation requirements) makes it seem like its almost just being discouraged. I do wish that you could make farmable land with buckets (eg get water and dirt from above and create farmable land)....that would be more realistic than the current "get it wet" method

[Gidoran]

I personally want to see dwarven hydroponics.

"Urist, what's with this swimming pool?"

"It's for growing plants in!"

"Wha... That doesn't make any sense! Plants need DIRT, Urist."

"No, no, I swear, it'll work!"

[Duke 2.0]

"..."
"Alright, look, I'm just cutting out the middle man here. You don't need to water the fields because the fields are water."
"I suppose that makes sense. But..."
"What?"
"Well, uh, can we apply the old saying here?"
"No Olon, applying magma won't work here."

[LordSlowpoke]

"..."
"Alright, look, I'm just cutting out the middle man here. You don't need to water the fields because the fields are water."
"I suppose that makes sense. But..."
"What?"
"Well, uh, can we apply the old saying here?"
"No Olon, applying magma won't work here."

You just broke my record for the fastest sig change.

[Thor]

Does mud still seasonal clean? It would be hard to rig a seasonal muddying pump system where I am.

[Psychoceramics]

Does mud still seasonal clean? It would be hard to rig a seasonal muddying pump system where I am.

I don't think you need to remuddy a soil field. I've has indoor farms going for at 4 seasons straight after the irrigation with no more needed.

[backflip]

I dont so much mind it...but with above ground farming being so drastically different (all year round plants and no irrigation requirements) makes it seem like its almost just being discouraged.

While I haven't had time to try out the new DF for more than a few minutes, from the sound of it I agree with you.  Above ground farming seems to be more encouraged.  If only Dwarves preferred underground crops more; that would help balance the overhead, I think.

[Wirevix]

Well, keep in mind that for the time being the muddy soil requirement is still technically a "bug."  Hopefully, if/when it gets implemented as a feature, it'll be cleaned up and fixed up so it's more consistent between surface and underground.

[Croquantes]

What -really- sucks, is if you abandon, and reclaim, -every- tile of muddy ground is REMOVED. That means all the caverns are no longer muddy. Adds another headache to reclaiming a large fort.

[MooUK]

I dont so much mind it...but with above ground farming being so drastically different (all year round plants and no irrigation requirements) makes it seem like its almost just being discouraged. I do wish that you could make farmable land with buckets (eg get water and dirt from above and create farmable land)....that would be more realistic than the current "get it wet" method

Just treat the pond creation method of irrigation as your water+dirt buckets, instead of just water

As long as there's a source of water, I've had no significant difficulty muddying a small farm plot so far in the new version.

[dennislp3]

I dont so much mind it...but with above ground farming being so drastically different (all year round plants and no irrigation requirements) makes it seem like its almost just being discouraged. I do wish that you could make farmable land with buckets (eg get water and dirt from above and create farmable land)....that would be more realistic than the current "get it wet" method

Just treat the pond creation method of irrigation as your water+dirt buckets, instead of just water

As long as there's a source of water, I've had no significant difficulty muddying a small farm plot so far in the new version.

Thats what I do now...I spose I should clarify...the thing about it having to be 1 z-level up to get it wet is what really irks me...

[lordofhyphens]

I dont so much mind it...but with above ground farming being so drastically different (all year round plants and no irrigation requirements) makes it seem like its almost just being discouraged. I do wish that you could make farmable land with buckets (eg get water and dirt from above and create farmable land)....that would be more realistic than the current "get it wet" method

Just treat the pond creation method of irrigation as your water+dirt buckets, instead of just water

As long as there's a source of water, I've had no significant difficulty muddying a small farm plot so far in the new version.

Thats what I do now...I spose I should clarify...the thing about it having to be 1 z-level up to get it wet is what really irks me...

Agreed here; two of my fortresses had rivers (which I then used to flash-irrigate, one of the rivers had a sheer drop off the edge... almost had too much fun and drowned everything); for one I'm running right now I had to basically start removing pieces of the pool zone to make sure the water got where I wanted it.

[Crossroads Inc.]

The easist way to make a constant source of mud for Farming is to Dig out chambers around a small "Pond"
"Ponds are MAGICAL! if you drain the water out into your fields bellow, every time it rains the pond will magically refill and water your crops automatically.

I say "Magic" because if you happen to channel out on your own a, say, 5x5 pit, and it rains, the water almost instantly soaks in.  but somehting that started as a "Pond" water builds up incredibly fast.  So if you dig out a large chamber, every time it rains ,the water will flood your fields

[Zaranthan]

I like the forced irrigation, I think I'm going to keep doing it after the bug is fixed. It usually takes me until summer to get the areas dug out the way I like them, so it makes embark supplies worth worrying about. Due to the amount of labor required to get the farms running, I have to wait until the first migrant wave to assign a fisherdwarf and gatherer, so I'm usually down to less than a round of food left by the time my first puny helmets come up, so it feels like all my CDO micromanagement actually matters for a change!

Also, once you figure out how to do it, irrigation isn't all that hard with running water around. Here's how I do it:

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Side View:
..xX>O Z-0: Surface
~~OOXO Z-1: Soil Layer
OOOOXO Z-2: Second layer (often stone)
OOOO<_ Z-3: Farm layer

Legend:
..  Open space (often brook surface)
xX  Screw pump (manually controlled)
OO  Walls
~~  Water
__  Farm plot
<X> Stairs
First, dig out the farm plot layer to fit the farms. I usually start with a 12x12 area, which leaves room for a 10x10 farm plot with a border to clear the stone onto (and later, to place a seed stockpile, once my masons clear the stone properly). Turn on the pump, watch the water flow, and turn it off when the area is about 1/3 wet. The remainder should muddy the rest of the room, and you can place the plot once the extra drops settle down (you can build in 1/7 water, but not 2/7).