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[Mechanoid]

In the future of the fortress thread in DF General Toady stated:
   

quote:Originally posted by Toady One:
My main concern for the release is to avoid outpost placement in areas where death by dehydration is inevitable, at least without a warning.

Basically, some maps have such little water that it's impossible to survive in. A possible solution to this problem is this:
When the player digs as far down as he's allowed to on that map, he can find floor tiles that give "Damp" and "Warm" and "Echo" descriptions. When the player orders the dwarves to dig downwards on that tile and they open it up, they would find water, lava, and chasm, respectively.

This would make every accessable map tile viable, so long as the player can survive long enough to dig downwards, and once he does find the tile and open it, the job would then begin of setting up the system to allow for farming... If nothing grows 10 levels below the surface, then the player would have to set something up to pump (or drag with buckets) that liquid up to that minimal
level.

As well, having an infinite source of water or lava or trash disposal should come with the obvious price of combatting whatever crawls out from those sources. As well, the obvious downside to using pumps is that they can be destoryed, and can only provide a limited amount of liquid at a time. It may eventually become necessary that the player setup specialist military squads for the express purpose of protecting the pumps, and the people that replace them. "Going downstairs to fix the water supply" could become a very hazardous but ultimately necessary venture for the player to perform possibly every season...

Something like in the Day of the Dead movie, where the missile silo apparently has a huge tunnel system which has a barricade constructed on the silo side, for the express purpose of selectively collecting the zombies that remain in that area... Only that now instead of a rear exit, there'd be a natural fresh-water spring, and where the ravenous undead zombies were, are now equally ravenous water/lava/chasm creatures.

[And of course, any 3 of the above floor types would also relate to a specific demon pit type, so any attempt to even get a infinte source of liquid or infinite drain would be dangerous. Damp floors = Demon frogs. Warm floors = Fire demons. Cavernous floors = Tentacle demons, or any combination of demon.]
[Edit 2 - The chasm could also be pre-filled with water or lava, allowing a bucket of the stuff to be hauled up (though you'd get double the trouble as water/lava AND chasm creatures B_ F_ you)]

[ July 27, 2007: Message edited by: Mechanoid ]

[Grek]

A better solution would be to let us view the map types. Then we would know if there is  groundwater, rivers or magma pools at a given location or not.

Normal
Temprature
Rainfall
Volcanic activity

[ July 27, 2007: Message edited by: Grek ]

[Mechanoid]

Yeah but this would be in almost every map irregardless of rain fall /temp /volcanic activity.

It's meant for the insane /experienced players that want to create a self-sustaining underground civ, where they'd need limitless amounts of liquids and refuse space to achive properly their dreams; despite the constant attacks from those sources.
As well, assuming that it's going to be easier to cave-in at the deeper levels, any cave-in that does occur will be absolutely devistating if proper precautions arn't taken.

Alot of interesting things can happen, too...
If you hit water, said water may be linked to the ocean, and instantly flood upwards with enough pressure to bust down doors /floodgates. Should the area you started in be below sea level ... You'll basically alter the entire world map with one action.
Hitting a magma source could do the same; while hitting a chasm could "cave in" a huge area around the place you dug though -- as if you removed the key-stone of an arch.

Infinite liquid /bone resources should entail that kind of risk, considering they'll be everywhere.

[ July 27, 2007: Message edited by: Mechanoid ]

[Tallim]

River floods dependent on rainfall?
Then you could gauge them yourself from how many "rain" events you get.

I agree with the groundwater theory but not necessarily with the Magma and Chasm ones...

Ground water is found in most areas of our world. Even in the Deserts. Though groundwater there is supposedly a finite resource according to scientific findings.

Technically driest places on earth are in the tundra   Mainly because dry on a global scale is calculated by rainfall.

And then Pumice can float lol.

[ July 31, 2007: Message edited by: Tallim ]

[Mechanoid]

quote:Originally posted by Tallim:
And then Pumice can float lol

"Oh look! A rough pumice stone floor!"
{step}
*glub*

[Tallim]

Techincally Pumice is a form of glass lol.

[Draco18s]

quote:Originally posted by Tallim:
<STRONG>Technically driest places on earth are in the tundra   Mainly because dry on a global scale is calculated by rainfall.</STRONG>

Atacama of northern Chile, at half an inch of percipitation every year (from fog no less).  Nice place to live, Summer temperatures at an average of 65 degrees Fahrenheit.

And Antartica: as a whole, it gets less than 2 inches average of percipitation a year, the Dry Valleys haven't seen any in 2 million years, the katabatic winds prevent it from forming and falling.

Though, there is the Lut desert.  The Lut is so forbidding that not even bacteria can live--temperatures exceeding 160 degrees F in the shade (I did not find any indication on the amount of percipitation).  I'm sure it's water table is too far down to dig, and it's not being replenished by anything (Egypt's aquifer--and on a larger scale, the enire Sahara's--is replenished by the Nile: the only river to have more water at its source than it's outlet).

[Draco18s]

quote:Originally posted by Draco18s:
<STRONG>

The Atacama desert of northern Chile, at half an inch of percipitation every year (from fog no less).  Nice place to live, Summer temperatures at an average of 65 degrees Fahrenheit.

And Antartica: as a whole, it gets less than 2 inches average of percipitation a year, the Dry Valleys haven't seen any in 2 million years, the katabatic winds prevent it from forming and falling.

Though, there is the Lut desert.  The Lut is so forbidding that not even bacteria can live--temperatures exceeding 160 degrees F in the shade (I did not find any indication on the amount of percipitation).  I'm sure it's water table is too far down to dig, and it's not being replenished by anything (Egypt's aquifer--and on a larger scale, the enire Sahara's--is replenished by the Nile: the only river to have more water at its source than it's outlet).</STRONG>