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[Ethicalfive]

You could potentially sacrifice one of the other tree tiles in the tileset to give yourself another tile to work with.  You already are using multiple different tiles for cave "trees", anyway.

Having certain tiles always mean "tree", and just having them different colors, while other tiles always mean "shrub" or the like make it much easier to find those items.  You could move towards having a tile where the "trunk" of the wood mushroom is very visible, while edible mushrooms are a different tile where the object is smaller in general, and the cap of the mushroom is more visible.

Could also make edible/pickable mushrooms look like a small group of mushrooms rather than a single big one

Thats what I was thinking. Dont mind if plump helms looked like a group, I think it could look pretty neat as a cluster(and real edible mushrooms tend to grow in clusters rather than as loners)

Edit: mockup

[Ironhand]

Cool, thanks for the suggestions, guys!

"When you scroll over a creature in the units screen, it turns black and you can't see it."

THIS HAS BEEN A PROBLEM FOREVER, and it's STILL not something I can fix. If you don't like it, turn off TTF in the init file.

"I find that smooth and rough walls look too similar. I would prefer to be able to tell them apart more easily."

Really? Like, even with the new update? I'm pretty sure they look nothing alike now... unless I'm misunderstanding you.

"How do I undo the April-fools joke thing?"

The real graphics set is still where it always has been. By the way (and this is for everybody), that link will never change. That URL will always lead to the latest version of Ironhand and Wormslayer's graphics. Just FYI.

[Greendogo]

Could also make edible/pickable mushrooms look like a small group of mushrooms rather than a single big one

Thats what I was thinking. Dont mind if plump helms looked like a group, I think it could look pretty neat as a cluster(and real edible mushrooms tend to grow in clusters rather than as loners)

Edit: mockup

That might look pretty cool with farms.  Do you think you could try something like this Ironhand?

[Aramco]

"I find that smooth and rough walls look too similar. I would prefer to be able to tell them apart more easily."

Really? Like, even with the new update? I'm pretty sure they look nothing alike now... unless I'm misunderstanding you.

Oh, you're right. I guess I missed the newest update.

[melpomenee]

Hitting K while underground persistently causes crashes while using this graphics set.  Likewise, trying to build things like kitchens and walls also causes a crash.  I found briefly that I could view stuff underground if I shrank the window substantially but even that wasn't a consistent fix.

For reference:  proc=Core i7 Q720, RAM=6 gigs, video=ATi Mobility Radeon HD 4830, resolution=1920x1080

[Valience]

Hitting K while underground persistently causes crashes while using this graphics set.  Likewise, trying to build things like kitchens and walls also causes a crash.  I found briefly that I could view stuff underground if I shrank the window substantially but even that wasn't a consistent fix.

For reference:  proc=Core i7 Q720, RAM=6 gigs, video=ATi Mobility Radeon HD 4830, resolution=1920x1080

OS would be useful too. I think there's a crash with k under linux currently. Try looking back a couple pages, I think Baughn and someone else were briefly touching on it.

In other news:

Now that you've fixed my two biggest complaints about the set (ugly walls and impossible to tell apart unless my eyes are touching the screen smooth/engraved floors) I feel like I could offer my bromance to you.

I do like the idea of harvestables being groups while trees are singular. It makes more sense to me as well since nearly all farmable/gatherable items can grow in stacks of many while trees will always give one lumber.

In other news, I tried using paint.net to hax that pot graphic someone made into the current tileset, but i seem to have lost all the alpha channel information when i saved it. Any suggestions? I do just save it as a 24bit png right? If nothing else, maybe add that pot for the next release and if possible edit tables and traction benched to use the same graphic (personally i like the traction graphic)? ?

[Rushmik]

Hitting K while underground persistently causes crashes while using this graphics set.  Likewise, trying to build things like kitchens and walls also causes a crash.  I found briefly that I could view stuff underground if I shrank the window substantially but even that wasn't a consistent fix.

For reference:  proc=Core i7 Q720, RAM=6 gigs, video=ATi Mobility Radeon HD 4830, resolution=1920x1080

I ran into this consistently a while back, but fixed it completely by turning off true-type fonts (in the init file).

[melpomenee]

Hitting K while underground persistently causes crashes while using this graphics set.  Likewise, trying to build things like kitchens and walls also causes a crash.  I found briefly that I could view stuff underground if I shrank the window substantially but even that wasn't a consistent fix.

For reference:  proc=Core i7 Q720, RAM=6 gigs, video=ATi Mobility Radeon HD 4830, resolution=1920x1080

OS would be useful too. I think there's a crash with k under linux currently. Try looking back a couple pages, I think Baughn and someone else were briefly touching on it.

In other news:

Now that you've fixed my two biggest complaints about the set (ugly walls and impossible to tell apart unless my eyes are touching the screen smooth/engraved floors) I feel like I could offer my bromance to you.

I do like the idea of harvestables being groups while trees are singular. It makes more sense to me as well since nearly all farmable/gatherable items can grow in stacks of many while trees will always give one lumber.

In other news, I tried using paint.net to hax that pot graphic someone made into the current tileset, but i seem to have lost all the alpha channel information when i saved it. Any suggestions? I do just save it as a 24bit png right? If nothing else, maybe add that pot for the next release and if possible edit tables and traction benched to use the same graphic (personally i like the traction graphic)? ?

OS=Windows 7 x64

The problem does seem to be true type font issue because Mayday and Phoebus work just fine.

[dieffenbachj]

Yeah my best fortress in a while got killed by a k-related TTF bug making me crash any time I looked pretty much anywhere, so I'm waiting patiently for that to get fixed. Only real fix was turning off TTF...

[Baughn]

Hum. I'll take a look.

[Jeoshua]

I've found that removing the special accent characters from the language raws helps keep down TTF related crashes, if it helps narrow down the issue.

[Ironhand]

Yeah, the mushroom cluster idea is awesome. I'll totally take a look at that when I get a chance.

[Baughn]

I've found that removing the special accent characters from the language raws helps keep down TTF related crashes, if it helps narrow down the issue.

Oh! Of course, I should have realized.

Yeah, there's a sign bug in the CP437->Unicode converter; basically, any letter above 127 (which means accented ones, etc.) get mapped to negative values.. which makes it read random memory in the 512 bytes before the array. Bad.

Usually that just maps to nonsense values that don't cause trouble as such, but if the memory isn't even *mapped* it'd cause a segfault - not very likely - or possibly it might crash freetype. Either way, I already fixed that bug so it should be fine next release.

[Jeoshua]

I have to say, I like what Phoebus has done with his newer stuff.  The thing is, i've always seen is as basically three options for DF visuals:

ASCII: The old, the tried, the true... the confusing.  Guaranteed not to make a goblin look like a goblet, because they don't look anything like what they're supposed to in the first place

IRONHAND: That's you, Llama! Your set has always been the snazzy "realistic" option for me.  Things look as they should, pretty and vibrant (or horrifying and disgusting, as the case may be).

Phoebus: His set has always been, for me, an iconic graphical redux of the ASCII tiles.  things are easilly distinguishable even zoomed out because of this iconic nature.

I think, if anything, that's what you should shoot for.  The clusters of mushrooms are one example of a good idea that is both graphically realistic (you don't grow one mushroom to eat, do you), and iconic as well.

ALSO! I personally have been playing around alot with worldgen, and I'm starting to get annoyed with the "vertical axle" or "pipe" or whatever icon that is that is part of the rivers.  It breaks the look and feel something awful from the twisty little rivers you see in every other orientation.  What is that icon supposed to go to in Dwarf fortress, and is it possible to recenter it without breaking how it looks over there?



UGH! The blue background doesn't bother me at all, I can overlook that.  But it just BREAKS the map for me, you know? The section could even be straight, so long as it was centered in the same way as the other tiles.  If you can't fix that one tile because it MUST look like that, then what about recentering the OTHER river tiles?

Either way, I already fixed that bug so it should be fine next release.

Ninja'd while replying.  YAY! Thanks Baughn.  Love ya for this.

[Ghundio]

Are all the ores supposed to look like a angry samurai, the 11th icon on the top row? Just curious if its just me