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[Ironhand]

Nah, don't worry about it.
You've been very patient about this for way too long.
It's high time I told Wormslayer to do something about it for me.

= P

[Vince]

Nah, don't worry about it.
You've been very patient about this for way too long.
It's high time I told Wormslayer to do something about it for me.

= P

[WormSlayer]

I have over the months spent a bit of time thinking about some OCD graphical organizing of stone types

Is one of your ore types to cover economic stone? Because my mental list is basically identical:

-Sand
-Soil
-4 layer types
-4 Economic types(Flux, Plaster, Coal, Obsidian)
-Ore with 4 or 5 value levels

And this is roughly the current system I believe? (IH did all that so I'm not too familiar

I'll see if I can figure something out that doesnt look crap

[forsaken1111]

-4 Economic types(Flux, Plaster, Coal, Obsidian)

I would kinda like this too.

[Aklyon]

+1 Yes to the economic types.

[WormSlayer]

So I'm poking around in the stone raws to familiarise myself. (And fix engraved Phyllite being black/black! )

Mined Lignite should use the same boulder icon as Bituminous coal?


Also the fruit tree I made should be used somewhere?


And this is what ores look like sorted by "value" as defined by the wiki:

The precious 250

Platinum   40
Aluminum   40
Gold      30
Silver      10

Limonite 8
Magnetite 8
Hematite 8
Galena 5
Tetrahedrite 3

Malachite 2
Sphalerite 2
Cassiterite 2
Copper 2
Garnierite 2
Bismuthinite    1

[AirsBlue]

Just wondering;
I love Slate, and Shale (especially for roofs, and floors), so I was wondering if there are enough stones in-game that fracture similarly enough, that a slate/shale like icon could be made.

Also, IronHand, your graphics pack was so awesome I was pulled into the forum just so I could post in this thread XD

And +1 to the varied ore icons, and Economic icons.

[WormSlayer]

Stupid hippies sold me a bull elephant, which of course means; War Elephant for my Captain of the Guard!!

Unfortunately his master fell in heroic battle during the recent Goblin attack and now old Ineth just roams forlornly around the spot where "Stoneface" died, only stopping to crush any invaders stupid enough to stray too close!



DF is so awesome

[Greendogo]

It would be really cool if each raw object or hard coded object could have it's own unique graphic/s, all of which would be separated from the interface font (including water levels from numbers).  I'll be sure to get on my red-phone tomorrow and call Toady about this.

Elephants + War = Fun

[WormSlayer]

Sounds like Toady doesnt know what to do and is just putting it off as long as possible...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

There's no more tricks in the bags, no more little characters in the bag. And so then you hit that point where you're like 'do you just go over to a tileset at that point? Do you experiment with Unicode stuff? If you add just a new IBM codepage r256 grid characters or whatever ...' If we add another grid of characters that look promising and just stick with that, that's kind of counterproductive in a way, because once you jump up beyond 256 you're free to move about the country at that point and go up to 65'000 or millions or whatever the rewrite entails. At the same time there's something to be said for the ASCII mode of the game, which I like because I can develop it quickly and I don't have to ... Zach and I drawing is not the same as other people drawing ... or maybe the problem is it's the same as other people drawing who aren't artists. And we can't use other people's tilesets without worrying about legal business, and more so not just legal business but ongoing development; if we've got a tileset then are there release delays when we wait for new pictures, or if a person drawing a tileset bails do we try and find somebody that can draw in the same style as they do, or does it become some kind of hellish hybrid of different art styles. It's difficult when we don't have an employee that we can employ for several years, or a person who will stick with the project. People stick with the project, like Baughn's been helping us for quite a long time, but what happens? If Baughn leaves, I do have some trouble with linux and mac support and so on, and other people can help with that, and I'm not sure graphics is the same way where someone can just step in and do the exact same thing, although artists are talented and there's probably someone who can do that, but I don't know if I can count on that or not. Then there's the legal question, I don't know how to do that properly; I have to make sure I can find someone I can trust who isn't going to lift a glyph from Nintendo without me noticing. So there're a lot of questions, it's not completely ruled out, but there're a lot of questions. The other method would be just to add another 256 characters if I don't just go with some Unicode font or something. And in a sense there's a charm at least with the vanilla, of adding just another 256 characters, because it's an extension that's required, but it still sticks within the same kind of poetic form. But there's going to be like seven people that agree with that assessment and a whole crapload of people that are like 'what the hell are you thinking?' So we're kind of there in a sense ... not super pressing at least, not anymore pressing than adding graphics to the game always was with running out of characters to display the information. But it's certainly already hit that wall in several places, and it's only filling it out more as time goes on.

[Vince]

Is one of your ore types to cover economic stone? Because my mental list is basically identical:

-Sand
-Soil
-4 layer types
-4 Economic types(Flux, Plaster, Coal, Obsidian)
-Ore with 4 or 5 value levels

Argh, I totally forgot the economic and layer types!
You're right.

Well, let's hope Toady maybe settles for the easiest solution:
Just split the ASCII-Tiles into single images. So instead of marking row and column in the raws, you'd "link" to the ASCII-image.
Which, in turn, we could change into a graphic tile.
So he would not have development- or legal issues and we could have a tile for everything.

[WormSlayer]

So I made a little chart of all the useful ore and economic stone grouped by value and use:


Update: This hasnt come out very well, but it sort of conveys the idea for ores that I'm going to run with, which is: The more valuable tiles are mostly rock with thin veins of metal running through them, while the less valuable ones are more ore than rock. (Value = Rarity?)


Also; welcome to the forum AirsBlue! Must admit I had not considered a separate tile for slate, but I did just make a sort of fractured ground tile to replace the V badlands on the world map...

[Igfig]

I like the 'value=rarity' system.  One little request, though: could you make the iron ores visually distinct from the hybrid ores, tile-wise?  Just a thought.

[Vince]

Update: This hasnt come out very well, but it sort of conveys the idea for ores that I'm going to run with, which is: The more valuable tiles are mostly rock with thin veins of metal running through them, while the less valuable ones are more ore than rock. (Value = Rarity?)

Ah, value=rarity is a nice idea, my first thought was the other way around, but yours is more logical.
You've got to watch out, though: Malachite and co. are looking like small strands of black ore in green stone.
If you invert the stone/ore on the tiles you have and swap "Most valuable" with "least valuable" it isn't that confusing anymore, I think.
I hope you know, what I mean.
But very nice, my dreams come true!

[AirsBlue]

Edit: Never mind, just checked up on Malachite and it is green. I guess it starts off green, burns green, is orange when smithed, then patina's back to green again. Crazy metal

And (Since I'm not sure how assigning tiles to objects works) would it be possible to assign this Slate tile look to rocks like Shale, and maybe even Slade (All darkish with a slight purple tint maybe? Slate is all jagged, and I think that might work as a look for slade).

Forgive any newbie ignorance, I'm fresh off the immigrant caravan, and have yet to be assigned a task other than mingling in the Meeting Hall.


Edit2:
Coolest lookin ore I've ever seen (Just checkin up on the real counterparts of these ores)

Tetrahedrite