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[Baughn]

Well, we should at least be able to animate dwarves that happen to be in the middle of workshops. Pretty unambiguous, that case.

For some workshops but it will depend if they have specific tiles in them that we can fix on with 100% certainty every frame?

Ironically the dwarf himself will be obscuring the centre tile that identifies a lot of workshops!

Will we limited to checking immediately adjacent tiles or can we look farther afield?

You can check as far afield as you like, of what's currently being displayed. There are memory bandwidth and cache limits, but you probably won't ever see them; you're more likely to hit cycle limits, with if statements and such. Try not to use those.

Custom workshops wouldn't have the problem you mentioned, and it seems pretty reasonable to think that most workshops will become custom eventually.

Hm. I could also add in a feedback texture, to let you store a bit of data between frames, but.. we'll see how it works without that first, 'kay?

This would be used for...?

For example, storing the amount of time a dwarf has been standing in a workshop (so the animations don't all match up, and he doesn't start in the middle of the animation cycle when he first enters it), or to deal with the aforementioned problem by remembering what tile was under the dwarf. Though that might be troublesome and glitchy to do.

[WormSlayer]

You can check as far afield as you like, of what's currently being displayed. There are memory bandwidth and cache limits, but you probably won't ever see them; you're more likely to hit cycle limits, with if statements and such. Try not to use those.

Thats what I was hoping but my programming skills are somewhat limited, how about: I write a mess of if statements then you optimise them?

For example, storing the amount of time a dwarf has been standing in a workshop (so the animations don't all match up, and he doesn't start in the middle of the animation cycle when he first enters it), or to deal with the aforementioned problem by remembering what tile was under the dwarf. Though that might be troublesome and glitchy to do.

Being able to track changes would be super-useful in decoding everything - The only thing better would be to have things like dorfs passed to the renderer separately from the environment?

[blueeyedlion]

I am confused by all this talk of multi tile creatures, are they going to be added officially by the toady one?  or will they be modded graphically ONLY and still actually be just one tile for the calculations and such?  or will this graphics set mod the creature to be multiple tiles in graphics and calculations?

[WormSlayer]

modded graphically ONLY and still actually be just one tile for the calculations and such?

This

[Robsoie]

Something like a pandemonium lord that occupy only 1 tile despite being visually bigger in Tile version of Dungeon Crawl ?

[Deon]

IMHO that would work.

[WormSlayer]

Very much like that

If we were feeling fancy, we could check if it was an enclosed space like a narrow tunnel and display a different graphic of the creature hunched up or something.

[blueeyedlion]

I can see the newb's demise now:

"ha, that 5 tile big dragon will never get through my 1 tile wide hallway, I am safe forever."

*dragon walks through the hallway and proceeds to kill most of the dwarves*

"WTF!!  noooooooo!!"

^this shouldn't be able to happen, either I don't understand it fully, or many newbs with this graphics set will be very confused and angry.

[Deon]

Newbs should not play with graphic sets.

Or newbs should not affect the quality of graphics.

Something like that.

[3]

It's not like the creatures will actually be more than one tile in size, anyway. They'll just look a bit tall.

[blueeyedlion]

ooh.  I didn't understand it fully.

[Robsoie]

Creatures being allowed ot be visually bigger that the 1 tile they always occupy would then lead into more places for the pixel artists to do their magic instead of being lmited by a small tile, trying to squash all the details of the creatures in there.
That can be only good.

[Tormy]

I can see the newb's demise now:

"ha, that 5 tile big dragon will never get through my 1 tile wide hallway, I am safe forever."

*dragon walks through the hallway and proceeds to kill most of the dwarves*

"WTF!!  noooooooo!!"

^this shouldn't be able to happen, either I don't understand it fully, or many newbs with this graphics set will be very confused and angry.

Hm....while we are at it....multi-tile creatures in 1 tile wide tunnels will look weird I guess...

[Harmonica]

Which is why if multi-tile creatures get made, there will need to be checks looking to see if there are walls right next to the creature.

[Wavecutter]

The amount of awesome being generated in this thread is stupendous.

 That being said I have a nit pick. On the embark screen plains are displaying as solid black.

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In this image I have highlighted a region of the plains to demonstrate what it would look like when
displayed within the embark square.