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[Tormy]

While its a little too contrasted for my tastes (you may have noticed I like lots of smooth shading? ) I do like the wavy style

Also, your dwarves have crafted a prototype Ballista, it menaces with pixels of opengl shaded awesome!

Jesus. That's beautiful. I wonder if that level of layering complexity is doable.

Yeah, it looks good indeed...and I think that it will be possible to create gfx stuff like this after Baughn codes in the shader mode. [Displaying the ballista image shouldn't be more "complicated" than displaying a multi-tile dragon afterall.]

[Vince]

Absolutely beautiful!
A shame, that trees don't have the correct size in DF to begin with.
Hm... Maybe we could do the same "semi-multitile" thing for trees, too?
So that the "tree tile" from Vanilla DF just represents the trunk and we display a 2x3 or something tree at that place?

[McBeer]

Absolutely beautiful!
A shame, that trees don't have the correct size in DF to begin with.
Hm... Maybe we could do the same "semi-multitile" thing for trees, too?
So that the "tree tile" from Vanilla DF just represents the trunk and we display a 2x3 or something tree at that place?

Shame that it wont be possible to make trees this way...

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[Ironhand]

We could totally do something like that if we wanted to.

I think trees need to be great big things with gaps in the leaves
so you can see the dwarves resting in their shade, or whatever.
But yeah, we could definitely have them cast shadows over things.

Lovely ballista. And from what I've heard, that should be easy.

[McBeer]

I was thinking about under/over nonsolvable problem with such method. DF engine simply cannot place dwarf UNDER tile, but nvmd, let's skip it.

[Baughn]

I'm moving DF over to a layered output engine in general (to deal with truetype), so don't count your dooms until they.. hatch? Er.. right.

At any rate, it probably wouldn't be too much work for Toady to run multiple passes over the dwarf/adventure-mode map, giving us both the ground tile and the dwarf on top.. or the ground, the chair, the dwarf and the miasma. It'd probably be at most four layers (plus the text, which doesn't count), and shaders can handle at least sixteen, so yeah.

That's very much future planning, pure wishful thinking really, but I'm starting to think it'd be a reasonable request.

[Tormy]

I'm moving DF over to a layered output engine in general (to deal with truetype), so don't count your dooms until they.. hatch? Er.. right.

At any rate, it probably wouldn't be too much work for Toady to run multiple passes over the dwarf/adventure-mode map, giving us both the ground tile and the dwarf on top.. or the ground, the chair, the dwarf and the miasma. It'd probably be at most four layers (plus the text, which doesn't count), and shaders can handle at least sixteen, so yeah.

That's very much future planning, pure wishful thinking really, but I'm starting to think it'd be a reasonable request.

Indeed!

[Zulithe]

I'm moving DF over to a layered output engine in general (to deal with truetype), so don't count your dooms until they.. hatch? Er.. right.

At any rate, it probably wouldn't be too much work for Toady to run multiple passes over the dwarf/adventure-mode map, giving us both the ground tile and the dwarf on top.. or the ground, the chair, the dwarf and the miasma. It'd probably be at most four layers (plus the text, which doesn't count), and shaders can handle at least sixteen, so yeah.

That's very much future planning, pure wishful thinking really, but I'm starting to think it'd be a reasonable request.

Indeed!

It sounds great. I know a lot of us, especially the modders, are excited. Do you anticipate this will impact performance very much? One of the biggest complaints of DF how taxing it can be on a system, particularly in light of how low-tech the graphics are. But... yeah, I know you are keenly aware of this. Just a concern. I'm sure I'm not alone here.

[Prastary]

Do you anticipate this will impact performance very much? One of the biggest complaints of DF how taxing it can be on a system, particularly in light of how low-tech the graphics are. But... yeah, I know you are keenly aware of this. Just a concern. I'm sure I'm not alone here.

Probably it will not impact performance on hi-tech 400W graphics monster with all required shaders...

[Baughn]

It'll inevitably affect performance somewhat. I'm not sure in which direction, though you can just turn it off - while playing, if you like.

If you have the aforementioned 400W graphics monster, you'll probably be fine.

[McBeer]

Do you anticipate this will impact performance very much? One of the biggest complaints of DF how taxing it can be on a system, particularly in light of how low-tech the graphics are. But... yeah, I know you are keenly aware of this. Just a concern. I'm sure I'm not alone here.

Probably it will not impact performance on hi-tech 400W graphics monster with all required shaders...

Mało zabawne.
I am not using that device for DF, i explained my reasons already. TBH, any concerns about eventual performance hit is around: laptops with intel chips, netbooks, umpc's, etc. - anything that uses integrated gfx card;
I can imagine ZERO perf problems on portables with dedicated gfx card..

And marvellous possibilities for modders, oh yes.
Sorry for my 3 cents(again)

[Vince]

any concerns about eventual performance hit is around: laptops with intel chips, netbooks, umpc's, etc. - anything that uses integrated gfx card;

It will be more likely that it won't work at all on those machines.

I am not using that device for DF, i explained my reasons already.

Are you sure that beast has not some decent kind of power saving?

[ghostxxx]

For all of those with laptops, check something called Undervolting. Allows you to reduce your core temperature without a performance hit. Which in turn allows you to overclock/ run things on high performance.

[pugi]

Absolutely beautiful!
A shame, that trees don't have the correct size in DF to begin with.
Hm... Maybe we could do the same "semi-multitile" thing for trees, too?
So that the "tree tile" from Vanilla DF just represents the trunk and we display a 2x3 or something tree at that place?

Shame that it wont be possible to make trees this way...

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This is possible. You can make something like 24x24 pixel sized trees, expand the tile to 36x36 pixels with the tree remaining in the upper left corner and then add the shadow in the lower right corner. Then you move the tile so the trunk is in the middle of the tile (-3 pixels in x- and y-direction) and the shadow is on the lower right of the tree. You can even vary the x- and y-movement by a random amount like +-4 pixels so multiple trees look nicely next to each other. And you have to make sure that the tiles are rendered from top left to bottom right, so other trees are placed above the shadow of the ones on the left/above.

I could make a little sketch of what i mean if it is too complicated, but i am lacking the motivation

[Baughn]

For all of those with laptops, check something called Undervolting. Allows you to reduce your core temperature without a performance hit. Which in turn allows you to overclock/ run things on high performance.

Only if you're really, really lucky.

Undervolting makes your machine less stable. Undervolting and overclocking, when you usually overvolt to get the most from overclocking?