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[Ironhand]

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Post to your heart's content.



One more day and I'm free! = D

Oh, and WormSlayer old sport.
I probably should be shooting you down
without any lovely new art of my own, but:

The new tables and chairs are a not so much for me.
If you can, though, I think the tables and chairs could
do with a little bit sharper of an edge.
And I think they should fill their tiles.
But the bevel on the table is cool.
You could slap that on there too.

Otherwise I will play with it when I get back.

The remains aren't doing much for me either.

Just my thoughts. I'll look at it all together later.

[blub-dwarf]

thanks Theodolus

going to try it out

so you mean if i want every floor with white sprites i need gimp to change there the color?

thanks

[Solace]

The new tables and chairs are a not so much for me.
If you can, though, I think the tables and chairs could
do with a little bit sharper of an edge.
And I think they should fill their tiles.

The problem, I think, is that you can't have the tables and chairs fill their tiles, and yet have the tables look taller than the chairs.

[Ironhand]

Is that a challenge?

But yeah, I guess I didn't mean chairs.
Tables should, though.
I like to be able to stick a bunch together.

[WormSlayer]

Here is the most recent wacky experimental version I'm playing with, use at your own risk

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Solace is right about that, the chairs have to be at least a little shorter - It's bad enough how badly we are already abusing perspective to show the legs while keeping tables square

Another problem with tables is that every workshop has work tables in them made from a stone tiles so the precedent is kind of set for a top-down view where you cant even see the legs?

[Theodolus]

so you mean if i want every floor with white sprites i need gimp to change there the color?

Hrm. Not sure exactly what you are looking for here. I think I can explain it (though Ironhand can probably explain it better (might want to check out his tile magic thread)) but it would probably take too long to do that here. If you PM me more details as to what you are trying to do, I can try to explain it a little better without cluttering up this thread.

I like that tile for engraved floor! It's a tad dark for my taste/monitor, so I lightened it up a bit. Even darker though it really makes the engraved vs. smoothed really pop. Unless another better version comes around I'll be sticking with this one. I have to agree with Ironhand (and I think you as well, WormSlayer (Wormy?)), that the table needs to take up the whole tile so rows of tables look better. Chairs are progressively looking better but still need a fair amount of work.

[ChickenLips]

Thought I'd pipe up and say I really love the tileset and what you've done with it so far.  I've been using it happily.

On the chairs: I may be a bit strange, but I like how the chairs and tables are in the last official release.  Not so hot on stools or anything either, I'm afraid.

Also, I was working on (roughly) converting the plants in Civ Forge and SethCreiyd's Flora & Fauna for my own use with my Ironhand build, and made a quick sort of guide for plant tiles in your set to submit to Mephansteras in case he finds it helpful for CF.  So, on the off-chance that anyone else would find it useful, I'll paste it here for anyone who might like to convert their plants into your graphics framework.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

First, a catalog of tile numbers in Ironhand, and a description of what they look a bit like:

5   - deciduous tree, broader
6   - deciduous tree, narrower
23  - deciduous tree, broader
147 - coniferous tree
244 - large willow tree (can double as large, bulky fluffy thing)
245 - palm tree
231 - sapling graphic -- looks like it could pass well for a variety of plants
226 - the old upside-down L, often used for weird trees
144 - cactus

160 - dead tree, but recolored can pass for some other things
248 - dead tree, possibly can pass for other things
169 - dead shrub

13  - grass/grain
18  - herb bush/shrub
28  - three little thingies, often used for dead shrub, but quite usable for other things

21  - coiled thread/fiber often used for herbs already
127 - bunched fiber/asparagus/stalks (looks like it's tied, so this is probably better for harvested stuff than the shrubs themselves)

3   - succulent large fruit or mushroom
15  - star/masterwork/turtle symbol, usable for spiky fruits, flowers, and the like
41  - parenthesis -- works well for banana type fruits
42  - parenthesis -- works well for banana type fruits
43  - asterisk, usable for spiky fruits, flowers, and the like

161 - bulky fruit/vegetable/tuber thing
141 - small mushroom
236 - large rock; usable as large, bulky fruit like pumpkin

152 - moss/lichen (actually just stone, but it really looks good in this usage)

156 - leeks/assorted small stalks/herbs -- or at least looks like it could pass for them fairly well

235 - old handcuffs, passes for a couple of fruits with stems or other odd shape

248 - tube (small circle not much different from default ASCII)


There is some potential in others for creative use, even the rocks and such, but these are the ones that suggest themselves right away.

On the other hand, I should note that, while it may just be me, 58 (colon) and 34 (double-quotes) don't seem to make as good plants anymore in this scheme, but they could probably still work.

[WormSlayer]

On the subject of plants; the cave wheat/pig tail tile in that sheet I posted above? If you set the background to black you can probably use just the stalks for grass-like plants.

Oh you covered that :/

[Igfig]

I was wondering if I could make engraved surfaces brighter without changing the grout.  Adding 20% transparency to the tiles of the floor gave me this:



I also played with the walls, with mixed results.  I converted the black in the middle 8 pixels of each wall to transparency, which didn't do much to the microcline in the previous picture, but looks good on the lignite and kaolinite in this one:



What do you think?

[Theodolus]

Interesting look Igfig... not sure that they are distinguishable enough. I really like the looks of Wormy's newest engraved floor though. I personally was messing around with chairs and tables. I think I got it so the chairs look shorter than the tables now, but not really sure. It's late and I can't really decipher what my eyes are seeing. Anyway, below are my attempts. There's a small bump on the back side of the chair that I don't really like but I don't have the time to mess with it right now.

Also, see the entry way for engraved floor tiles. I brightened them up a hair from Wormy's default. All this fiddling with the setup makes me want to do something completely original... Ah well, bed beckons.

[Harmonica]

I also played with the walls, with mixed results.  I converted the black in the middle 8 pixels of each wall to transparency, which didn't do much to the microcline in the previous picture, but looks good on the lignite and kaolinite in this one:



What do you think?

I like the effect, but what about if you had the transparency on the edges of the walls, rather than in the middle (doesn't that make more sense for engraved walls?). You'd still have the stone in the middle as you'd expect, but around the edges where they've worked the engravings, the rock would be slightly smoother.

I think it might also be a tad too smooth, though.

[Vinnie]

I like the changes to the chairs in the 'experimental' version, Worm. Stools are a plus, since I can put them on any side of a table without making it look silly.

[WormSlayer]

I think I would actually prefer some kind of pattern on the wall (sort of like the engraved floors are now) rather than the dotted outline...

Big bevelled tables with different stools, but now both using the same fake perspective.

(Why the hell do dorfs stand on tables all the time? The kitten at least could be underneath the table...)

[Theodolus]

I prefer to think of it as 'Drunken Reveling'. They spontaneously burst into bawdy songs and climb on the table, trying to get people to sing along. Naturally this is looked down upon as it means that the dwarf is unable to hold his alcohol.

Edit: Now that I've been looking at them for a little while.. The chairs still look a bit high. Don't get me wrong, they're the best ones yet, it just seems as though a dwarf would have a hard time getting up into one.

[WormSlayer]

Yeah they may be a bit big still

Trying out a bit of Tile Magic on the web/currency/rough gem/all that other stuff tile:

(Cave Spider webs are actually white and orange - who knew?)