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[Torgan]

Thanks for the blood cooking tag, I had forgotten it could be done that way. I thought more like 2 barrels of blood into one bag of dried blood dust (make dye and flour versions!)
"Make dye from blood" and "Make nourishing flour from blood". We have blood pancakes (veriletut) in Finland, and one region has "black" blood sausages.

There's black pudding in the UK which is blood+oatmeal sausage so it's not too uncommon I guess.

You know you can just set the blood for dumping, mark the barrel for trading when merchants are at the depot then the dwarves will carry the barrel to the depot and leave a puddle of blood/ichor/venom on the ground?  This should get cleaned up afterwards by a dwarf.

[Alarion]

Thanks for the blood cooking tag, I had forgotten it could be done that way. I thought more like 2 barrels of blood into one bag of dried blood dust (make dye and flour versions!)
"Make dye from blood" and "Make nourishing flour from blood". We have blood pancakes (veriletut) in Finland, and one region has "black" blood sausages.

Same in Sweden.

that the old one was located on a nice warm ocean beach, had a huge moat with four working drawbridges and windmill-powered pumps to fill it with water, a three-story stone wall around all the land that wasn't ocean beach, several magma workshops and stores, finished goods and metal by the hundreds, huge amounts of engravings and an artifact cabinet (+an artifact backpack, a large underground

Here's a suggestion: backup it, abandon it, put new raws into the save, embark (maybe non-reclaim) on site and hope it works. Keeps location and walls and digging and workshops.
Or you can use old save's worldgen seeds (in logfile or in exported info) and get the exact same world, except history has gone differently thanks to combats going differently.

Getting to magma sea is easy if your caves are 4 levels high like mine, and not 20 levels high like the default settings.

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(two cavern layers -> magma sea at -19 to -23 )
   [CAVERN_LAYER_OPENNESS_MIN:40]
   [CAVERN_LAYER_OPENNESS_MAX:60]
   [CAVERN_LAYER_PASSAGE_DENSITY_MIN:4]
   [CAVERN_LAYER_PASSAGE_DENSITY_MAX:9]

   [CAVE_MIN_SIZE:8]  natural caves of adventurer mode, seem to affect fort mode too?
   [CAVE_MAX_SIZE:16]

Thanks for the help

Also, http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ParanoiaFuel]is everyone a troper here? 

No. I am a Flickrite and a partial deviantArtist. Also a KGS (Kiseido Go Server) noob. But I gotta know about so me tropes, especially gainaxing.

http://xkcd.com/609/ ...

[Phoebus]

If you want to make steel harder to create, it should take more steps, and most likely, more resources to create too.
You could also require more than just iron and carbon to make the steel.
Also, actual pure iron should be hard to create, require many steps to gradually purify it.
Likewise, the grade of steel should be improved in many steps.

Ore -> Iron + Coal + Flux -> Pig Iron (Grade D)
Ore -> Iron + Flux -> Pure Iron (Grade D)
Pig Iron (D) + Pure Iron (D) + Flux + Coal -> 2x Steel (Grade D)

Pig Iron/Steel (Grade D) + Coal + Flux -> Pig Iron (Grade C)
Pure Iron/Steel (Grade D) + Flux -> Pure Iron (Grade C)
Pig Iron (C) + Pure Iron (C) + Flux + Coal -> 2x Steel (Grade C)

and so on.


You could also add purification process for fuel and flux, that would split them into separate small bars so you can fine tune the quantity used per step. And add more steps to the whole steel process.
Fuel -> 3 carbon bars (1/3 normal size each)
Flux Stone -> 3 flux bars (1/3 normal size each)


Alternatively, you could add special (fantasy) steel alloys.
Iron + Aluminum
Iron + Gold
Iron + Lead
Iron + Platinum
Iron + Silver
Iron + Adamantium

For all these options the current version of steel should be lowered in quality significantly (slightly above iron), and more expensive version would progressively move toward the old steel.

[Setharnas]

I like that. I would also like to see metal be more rare, as in more massive / complicated items using more bars, which would then represent smaller amounts of metal. IIRC, metal yield from ores is typically around 3-5% of the ore mass at most - in DF, it feels much higher. That's true for wood as well: in my current game, my >500 tile storehouse is packed full with stuff - and I haven't even started metal production!

I'd like bars and logs to represent smaller amounts of materials. If a chair needs one log, a cabinet should use at least three. When you take arrows and bolts into account, both chair and cabinet need even more logs to keep the relation in balance. A whole wall/palisade? ... Yeah. Trouble is, I think constructions are hardcoded in their resource amounts, are they not? That would make any attempt at balancing somewhat futile, as it would look really stupid if a log was worth one wall or a fifth of a table...

About alloys: I think they should not all be based on iron. A bit of variety is great - that's why I have said before that a "Genesis Forge" would be my dream mod, an integration of Genesis and CivForge (mainly for its sophisticated alchemy system). Of course I can see from Deon's comments that Genesis is already heading that direction, yay!

[Deon]

The problem with those is that all of them require iron... Which just negates the variety a lot (especially if you have none on your map), that's why I have different schemes for the alchemy.

The "pure iron" is not pure per se, it's just that it requires additional hardening to become a weapon-grade material, but I didn't want "hard iron swords" (the shorter, the better), if you have a better idea how to call the "original iron", go ahead and suggest it.

[Phoebus]

The problem with those is that all of them require iron... Which just negates the variety a lot (especially if you have none on your map), that's why I have different schemes for the alchemy.

The "pure iron" is not pure per se, it's just that it requires additional hardening to become a weapon-grade material, but I didn't want "hard iron swords" (the shorter, the better), if you have a better idea how to call the "original iron", go ahead and suggest it.

Coarse iron
Raw iron
Impure iron

Edit:
Slag iron

[Deon]

Coarse iron sounds nice...

When will you make the engraved rounded walls? I can't wait to include them .

[rainekage]

Fortress defense - I have a long way to go.  Oddly, I can't seem to assign bone bolts to my military, only to hunters.

This became a problem when a kobold thief nearly severed the legs of my military commander (a marksdwarf), and the dwarf had decided, "Hey, I don't need ammunition, I have a copper crossbow!".  Thanks to Tomi for teaching me that leg armor is the most important armor.

Was just looking at the adventure mode, and recalled that Deon made it so we can embark as "outsiders" of extinct races.  And noticed "Dark dwarves".

I don't recall there being a dark dwarven race outside of Civforge.  Was it a bug, or just a race so weak they never, ever make it through worldgen?

[Deon]

They've always been here, and they are underground dwellers (like cave illithids, ratmen, fishmen etc.). However they have good metal gear.

[Ghundio]

I like that. I would also like to see metal be more rare, as in more massive / complicated items using more bars, which would then represent smaller amounts of metal. IIRC, metal yield from ores is typically around 3-5% of the ore mass at most - in DF, it feels much higher. That's true for wood as well: in my current game, my >500 tile storehouse is packed full with stuff - and I haven't even started metal production!

I'd like bars and logs to represent smaller amounts of materials. If a chair needs one log, a cabinet should use at least three. When you take arrows and bolts into account, both chair and cabinet need even more logs to keep the relation in balance. A whole wall/palisade? ... Yeah. Trouble is, I think constructions are hardcoded in their resource amounts, are they not? That would make any attempt at balancing somewhat futile, as it would look really stupid if a log was worth one wall or a fifth of a table...

About alloys: I think they should not all be based on iron. A bit of variety is great - that's why I have said before that a "Genesis Forge" would be my dream mod, an integration of Genesis and CivForge (mainly for its sophisticated alchemy system). Of course I can see from Deon's comments that Genesis is already heading that direction, yay!

I definitely agree that the metal and wood yield seems unbalanced. But for me the thing that seems wrong with the wood is that you get too little from a log. When you think about it, you just cut down a 100 year old tree or whatever. That a lot of wood. I think the entire wood industry needs some more processing so that it has a more realistic feel to it.

[Dwarf13]

Greetings!

Im still getting that wierd "keepers caravan" bug, even after downloading newer ver, making new world, etc. Game just crashes having caravan arrived on 2-3+ year of a forteress. Thats so frustrating bth 
Is there any way to remove keepers from my save\fix the bug?
If you'll request a save, im just going to play from my last save till keeper's caravan arrival and save there.

TIA.

[TomiTapio]

Utuki says to remove their intelligence.

Its known bug in non-b version, i got around by : removing intelligence from keepers, making them evil instead of benign and removing their trade caravans. First two are in creature raw third in entity (possible third isn't needed, i didn't check)

So in creature_genesis.txt in Keepers section, delete
[INTELLIGENT]
[BENIGN]
and in entity_keepers.txt I would delete
   [DIPLOMAT_BODYGUARDS]
   [MERCHANT_BODYGUARDS]
   [PROGRESS_TRIGGER_TRADE:1]
   [PROGRESS_TRIGGER_POP_SIEGE:2]
   [PROGRESS_TRIGGER_PROD_SIEGE:0]
   [PROGRESS_TRIGGER_TRADE_SIEGE:0]
   [ACTIVE_SEASON:SUMMER]
maybe also delete [USE_ANIMAL_PRODUCTS] (bee products may be the cause).

Hey Deon, immediate siege from keepers if you start a goblin fortress? Zero means right away?

[Deon]

Zero means "not counted at all" now. It was right away in 40d.

Keepers crash in a world generated in .24b? Damn, I may need to remake their entity from scratch . If it's the entity and not some weird animal stuff they bring due to their biomes.

P.S. Please please please give me a save from 3.24b generated world with a keeper crash.

[Torgan]

I think this might be one for Toady but I'll ask anyway.  Now there's so many milled plants->dye reactions in Genesis is there any way to set it so that only plants that are milled into edible items are used?  Usually I set all raw plants that I'm farming to not be used in cooking so that I get the seeds as otherwise I end up running out of seeds or plants to make booze out of.  I usually mill a bunch of stuff so I can use the flour and sugar for roasts of awesome to flog to the traders but at the moment I keep ending up with piles of dye which I don't really use as the clothing industry doesn't seem worth it at the moment.

I could set up a locked room with a food stockpile that only accepts the plants I want to mill and a quern but I can never be bothered micromanaging stuff to that level really. On a side note, candy and bread cooking into meals are incredibly expensive, I had a masterwork roast for 117k out of some meat, 1 bread and two crystal cane candies.

[TomiTapio]

I keep ending up with piles of dye which I don't really use as the clothing industry doesn't seem worth it at the moment.

On a side note, candy and bread cooking into meals are incredibly expensive, I had a masterwork roast for 117k out of some meat, 1 bread and two crystal cane candies.

Hooray, the mushroom dyes I added are making things harder for you! That was the intent, that foraging should get you less food. I should even try making all plants give 2 units instead of 5.
You just need a "atomsmash dye" reaction from Deon now :´)

Deon, I'd recommend that bread and candy can't be used as cooking ingredients. Long cat guts bacon on a masterwork bread?
Yeah it is silly how meals can be totally more valuable than chainmails. That'd make IRL crude steel chainmails cost 1000€ (10-stack of finest fugu/ancientwine meals, 3000€)
I have reduced dwarves' cooking skill leveling.

Deon: how about a small hue/shading difference between the different centaur soldiers? Zebra stripes on archers!

Part three of the Logs of Lakedike:

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Winter 4.
78-85 fps, 3x3 embark, 71 citizens, 12+38 animals, 3 cavern layer (2 seen and flier-open). 1.6M wealth. litter from many sieges and ambushes. 2000 stones 350 bars 153 box/bag, 250 corpses, 240 bodyparts, 280 weapons, 740 bodywear.
..
early winter, prepare more coffins.
go go caves1 and harvest, while soldiers guard against olms.
Obi the FB had to die, and mastiffs & lion held it in place.
install cage traps in caves1, to possibly catch some critters and for minor defense.
make walled drinking area in cave, with two wells.
mood: tower-cap crossbow, 126k, includes an artwork in platinum.

latewinter 14th, demon siege. Two mace squads, riding cave crocs...
They get sliced, then some survivors are pondering at the part where that cagetraps are.
Zefon the mastiff chewed kobold up (in 3.4 pages, six arteries).
two demons left, chop chop, victory. We have 500 footwear.
gobbo ambush in traps, no prob.

Spring 5. (82-89 fps)
might get migrants if they have heard we are only 71.
redo depot, in red steel this time.
issue pile or orders and hope soaps get made in a few months.
make steel tables, have plenty of steel.
creamate our dead foes.
Migrants to 89. Maybe make a bow-squad.
Our best, Dodok the soldier, has 84 skill merit badges total. 2nd and 3rd are soldier-hunters at 79 and 74.
mood: magnetite bracelet, 75k. with the image of an intimidating elf. Other image of a gobliness who is in our cages.
Put sublime steel thrones in busy passages.

Burrowstime, but mayor gets stuck-puzzled hauling wools. Cancel time.
Duskies come. Sylvans.
Our legendary engraver is the happiest dork in town. Least happy is an axer-peasant.
Put woodcutting duty to only the happiest seven.
Our most valuable things are master steel statues and bolts(18k). and Barley Groats Slabcakes.
Buy 35k of stuff from sylvans. 28k from duskies.
Logem the hero now officially loves her sword.
flayers in trapridor, no worries.
gobbos dying in trapridor.

Summer 5.
Datan the trainee is in traction.
Bah, bow-squad's captain was a total cripple. Why didn't anyone tell me?
..
tame six large rats, make a few more rooms.
a sneaker let out a goblin hammerlord! Gotta give them credit.
Muz brewdoc they mayor gets 4 mastiffs. harvest trees & plants from caves1.
wild gazelles have been kicking lowbies, odd.
57-65? fps, 3x3 embark, 97 citizens, 15+73 animals, 3 cavern layers (2 seen and flier-open). 2.34M wealth. Litter from many sieges and ambushes. 2500 stones 330 bars 167 box/bag, 174 corpses, 222 bodyparts, 369 weapons, 920 bodywear.

a centaur siege. Bah-huh. demon ambush in trapridor.
horsebasters come and fill our fine cages with their selves and droppings. 2nd demon ambush.
traps are exhausted, centaurs are limping through.
Solid victory, one demon remains. We lost someone, and at least one mastiff.

Autumn 5. Three in rest. (62 fps haul, haul)
tame an arachna. Maybe should chain it somewhere. Chop some livestock.
tame three dralthas, our cave traps are working for us.
Bim the fisher is cremating bee remains... *sigh* he just doesn't get it.
Cook's mood: eland bone cage! 44400 value,

remove the traction bench that Datan and his ankle are using (for too long).
1444 meals is a little too much. No pots for brewing shard swill.
one pig is hungry in the dining room.
migrants to 107. Got a legendary sword-user.

home caravan. Orcs into gobbo ambush.
flayer ambush. Looks like goblins ignore the void master's hellfire.
bowdemon ambush. flayer bush.
bushfire! Hope the prisoners outside burn. Or flee and burn.
flayer ambush.
get a barony. Dasto the Trader can be it.
(export save, perhaps for bushfire testing.)
see three flayer squads moving.

three kinds of foes in trapridor. Right, fires released them from cages! Caravan is tryig to leave now... boy they have stupid timing.
have 393 corpses, 385 bodyparts.
Winter 5. make stockpile #77, only useful kinds of finished goods.
foraging for brewskies.
Six mastiffs to the lowbie who has two kids in tow.
place lots of caged enemies outdoors.
make a batch of bins.
latewinter 7th, burgertime. Bah, reservoirs are gone, only cave-lake cleaning water now.
have 165 rock pots.
a FB comes, a huge feathered llama! Vampiric. Sliced ancient llama cakes it is.
mephits bother us in caves1.
Kikrost the soldier's mood: demon bone amulet, 60k!

Demon siege comes, two squads with croc mounts.
a were siege. MANY war mammoths.
Demons block most of the weapon trap hits.
Better draft some unskilled ones too, it's going to be a long battle, with traps exhausted.
some ambush in were-filled corridor.
Huh, war mammoths get much fractured legs from our traps. They're clumsy.
flayer ambush again in were'pile. sent best two squads into the trapridor.
28 foes plus many beasts remain. (37 fps)
Victory, but one were riding a giant lion lurks outdoors.
we 104, lost 3. Five in hospital.

Spring 6! 516 corpses, 503 bodyparts.
Only one in hospital!
Sylvan diplomat berates us.
Baron wanst rose gold items and is abusing a mason. we have no gold.
a FB in caves2, made of green glass.
migrants to 114.
make 3rd reservoirs from pond (1st and 2nd been dry for many seasons)
a planter killed our strong and agile metalsmith, damn. Baron's decree!
..
55-59 fps, 3x3 embark, 113 citizens (30 idle), 21+37 animals, 3 cavern layers (2 seen, one walkable, 2nd flier-open). 3.25 wealth. Litter from many sieges and ambushes. 2940 stones 230 bars 228 box/bag, 522 corpses, 607 bodyparts, 500 weapons, 1160 bodywear.
a FB nematode comes, poison gas, caves1! Send useless people to greet it. No casualties. Ide the mechanic got a torn cheek and has the nerve to go have a lie-down.
duskies. much difficuly re-walling the trapridor, odd.

a gobbo sword and spear siege. six quads if count beak dogs too. (38-42 fps)
they all focus on a kitten that's gotten outdoors.
siege is over. demon ambush in  corridor of carnage. latespring 23rd.

Summer 6.
weeks pass...
Baron tries to punch people, but they have learned to dodge.
cleaning the trapridor. migrants to 118. (54 fps)
make five dining rooms.
midsummer 27th, try to stop hauling and prepare for the bad moth. bad month.
hope for another bushfire, because our faith won't let us start pyres of goblin cages.

keeper caravan.
a centaur siege. (save)
hoardmaster's leather mood:
a keeper knight stands bravely taking dozens of centaur arrows!
a goblin siege.
a demon siege. by the white beards of Rumon-Zuglor!
a serpentfolk siege!
one demon gets through trapridor. Time to stop training and start cutting.
lost  ahmmerdorf.
57 invaders plus 8 beak dogs still alive. Gotta love our steel gear.
a snow blob FB comes.
we are down to 108 citizens, have lost ten! about two from each squad.
demons are in three areas of our indoors now.
must improve our battle area shape.
we are 102.
latesummer 23rd, still a naga squad outdoors.

(8 soldiers have more shield skills than 2; 13 have armoruser over 2. 21 have fighting over 2.)
the unhappiest get relieved from cleaning and hauling. Also the medical staff.
have 27 ecstatic, 31 happy, 31 content, 4 fine, 5 unhappy, 4 near insane.
five in hospital at the moment.
Autumn 6.