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[Kogut]

Ooops, so vanilia + defence for me.

[Angel Of Death]

Is it alright if I suggest something?

Dwarves, sylvan elves, centaurs and demons should be allowed to make cities. I can't find any of them outside of bandit camps or fortresses. Werewolves are fine out in the open, though.

[Vorthon]

I'll try to contribute more... Just unzipping the newest version now...

[Deon]

Is it alright if I suggest something?

Dwarves, sylvan elves, centaurs and demons should be allowed to make cities. I can't find any of them outside of bandit camps or fortresses. Werewolves are fine out in the open, though.

Sylvans are okay with "no home". They live in forest after all, so it's okay that you can't find them (until Toady makes tree villages alive again ).

Dwarves... I would like to give them cities, but they would cut into mountains causing various weird stuff, so let them be hidden for now. The overall "sprawl" is not fitting the dwarven theme.

However demons and dusk elves as well as gobbos should definitely have towns, I will make it for them until we get Dark Towers back.

[TomiTapio]

Okay... now with natural_skill working due to can_learn tag, minotaurs defeat in single combat a hero with all-skills-6:

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The Minotaur charges at The militia commander!
The Minotaur attacks The militia commander but He jumps away!
The Minotaur charges at The militia commander!
The Minotaur punches The militia commander in the left testicle with his right hand, bruising it through the (arachna silk cloak)!
The Minotaur collides with The militia commander!
The militia commander is knocked over and tumbles backward!
The Minotaur grabs The militia commander by the (moose leather coat) with his right lower arm!
The Minotaur releases the grip of The Minotaur's right lower arm on The militia commander's (moose leather coat).
The Minotaur gores The militia commander in the upper body with his right horn, bruising the muscle and tearing apart the middle spine's nervous tissue through the (arachna silk cloak)!
The militia commander loses hold of the (copper battle axe).
The militia commander is no longer stunned.
The Minotaur grabs The militia commander by the (pigeon leather trousers) with his right upper arm!
The Minotaur releases the grip of The Minotaur's right upper arm on The militia commander's (pigeon leather trousers).
The militia commander misses The Minotaur!
The Minotaur punches The militia commander in the lower body with his left hand, bruising the muscle and bruising the stomach through the (arachna silk cloak)!
The Minotaur grabs The militia commander by the nose with his left upper arm!
The Minotaur releases the grip of The Minotaur's left upper arm on The militia commander's nose.
The Minotaur grabs The militia commander by the right hand with his left lower arm!
The Minotaur locks The militia commander's right wrist with The Minotaur's left lower arm!
The Minotaur bends The militia commander's right hand with The Minotaur's left lower arm, shattering the right wrist's bone!
A ligament in the right wrist has been torn and a tendon has been torn!
The militia commander misses The Minotaur!
The Minotaur releases the joint lock of The Minotaur's left lower arm on The militia commander's right hand.
The Minotaur releases the grip of The Minotaur's left lower arm on The militia commander's right hand.
The Minotaur scratches The militia commander in the left upper arm, shattering the bone and shattering the left shoulder's bone through the (arachna silk cloak)!
The Minotaur grabs The militia commander by the left lower arm with his left upper arm!
The Minotaur punches The militia commander in the left upper leg with his right hand, shattering the bone through the (arachna silk cloak)!
The militia commander misses The Minotaur!
The Minotaur locks The militia commander's left elbow with The Minotaur's left upper arm!
The Minotaur bends The militia commander's left lower arm with The Minotaur's left upper arm, shattering the left elbow's bone!
A ligament in the left elbow has been torn and a tendon has been torn!
The Minotaur releases the joint lock of The Minotaur's left upper arm on The militia commander's left lower arm.
The Minotaur punches The militia commander in the right lower arm with his left hand, shattering the bone through the (arachna silk cloak)!
The Minotaur releases the grip of The Minotaur's left upper arm on The militia commander's left lower arm.
The Minotaur grabs The militia commander by the third toe, left foot with his left lower arm!
The militia commander misses The Minotaur!
The Minotaur releases the grip of The Minotaur's left lower arm on The militia commander's third toe, left foot.
The Minotaur grabs The militia commander by the third toe, right foot with his right upper arm!
The Minotaur releases the grip of The Minotaur's right upper arm on The militia commander's third toe, right foot.
The Minotaur grabs The militia commander by the first finger, left hand with his left hand!
The Minotaur releases the grip of The Minotaur's left hand on The militia commander's first finger, left hand.
The Minotaur grabs The militia commander by the left upper leg with his right hand!
The militia commander misses The Minotaur!
The Minotaur gores The militia commander in the left lower leg with his right horn, shattering the bone through the (pig tail fiber dress)!
The Minotaur locks The militia commander's left hip with The Minotaur's right hand!
The Minotaur bends The militia commander's left upper leg with The Minotaur's right hand, shattering the left hip's bone!
A ligament in the left hip has been torn and a tendon has been torn!
The Minotaur releases the joint lock of The Minotaur's right hand on The militia commander's left upper leg.
The Minotaur releases the grip of The Minotaur's right hand on The militia commander's left upper leg.
The militia commander misses The Minotaur!
The Minotaur grabs The militia commander by the nose with his right hand!
The Minotaur scratches The militia commander in the left lower leg, shattering the bone through the (pig tail fiber dress)!
The Minotaur releases the grip of The Minotaur's right hand on The militia commander's nose.
The Minotaur grabs The militia commander by the nose with his left upper arm!
The Minotaur releases the grip of The Minotaur's left upper arm on The militia commander's nose.
The Minotaur grabs The militia commander by the right lower leg with his left hand!
The militia commander misses The Minotaur!
The Minotaur locks The militia commander's right knee with The Minotaur's left hand!
The Minotaur bends The militia commander's right lower leg with The Minotaur's left hand, shattering the right knee's bone!
A ligament in the right knee has been torn and a tendon has been torn!
The Minotaur releases the joint lock of The Minotaur's left hand on The militia commander's right lower leg.
The Minotaur releases the grip of The Minotaur's left hand on The militia commander's right lower leg.
The Minotaur grabs The militia commander by the left upper leg with his left hand!
The militia commander misses The Minotaur!
The Minotaur releases the grip of The Minotaur's left hand on The militia commander's left upper leg.
The Minotaur grabs The militia commander by the second finger, left hand with his right upper arm!
The Minotaur releases the grip of The Minotaur's right upper arm on The militia commander's second finger, left hand.
The Minotaur grabs The militia commander by the (moose leather coat) with his left hand!
The Minotaur grabs The militia commander by the right lower leg with his left upper arm!
The Minotaur releases the grip of The Minotaur's left upper arm on The militia commander's right lower leg.
The Minotaur scratches The militia commander in the right upper leg, fracturing the bone through the (arachna silk cloak)!
The Minotaur strikes The militia commander in the right hand with his (moose leather coat), shattering the bone!
The Minotaur punches The militia commander in the right upper arm with his right hand, jamming the bone through the right shoulder's muscle and shattering the right shoulder's bone!
The Minotaur strikes The militia commander in the upper body with his (moose leather coat), bruising the muscle and bruising the liver through the (arachna silk cloak)!
The Minotaur strikes The militia commander in the left foot with his (moose leather coat), bruising the muscle!
The Minotaur scratches The militia commander in the left lower leg, shattering the bone through the (pig tail fiber dress)!
The Minotaur strikes The militia commander in the left lower leg with his (moose leather coat), bruising the muscle through the (pig tail fiber dress)!
The Minotaur strikes The militia commander in the left lower arm with his (moose leather coat), bruising the muscle through the (arachna silk cloak)!
The Minotaur strikes The militia commander in the right lower arm with his (moose leather coat), shattering the bone through the (arachna silk cloak)!
The Minotaur strikes The militia commander in the left foot with his (moose leather coat), jamming the bone through the left ankle's muscle and shattering the left ankle's bone!
The Minotaur scratches The militia commander in the third finger, left hand, shattering the bone through the (arachna silk cloak)!
`Asen hero', Axedwarf has bled to death.
The Recruit misses The Minotaur!
The Minotaur charges at The Recruit!
The Recruit looks surprised by the ferocity of The Minotaur's onslaught!
The Minotaur gores The Recruit in the left upper arm with his right horn, shattering the bone through the (arachna silk cloak)!
The Minotaur collides with The Recruit!
The Recruit is knocked over and tumbles backward!
The Minotaur strikes The Recruit in the lower body with his (moose leather coat), bruising the muscle and bruising the guts through the -blood spider chit leggings-!
The Minotaur strikes at The Recruit but the shot is blocked!
The Recruit counterstrikes!
The Recruit misses The Minotaur!
The Minotaur strikes The Recruit in the left foot with his (moose leather coat), bruising the muscle through the *hammerhead shark leather high boot*!
The Minotaur strikes The Recruit in the upper body with his (moose leather coat), bruising the muscle and bruising the right lung through the (arachna silk cloak)!
The Recruit is having trouble breathing!
The Recruit stands up.
The Minotaur gores The Recruit in the left cheek with his right horn, bruising it through the (arachna silk cloak)!
The Minotaur charges at The Recruit!
The Recruit looks surprised by the ferocity of The Minotaur's onslaught!
The Minotaur misses The Recruit!
The Minotaur collides with The Recruit!
The Recruit is knocked over and tumbles backward!
The Minotaur strikes The Recruit in the left upper arm with his (moose leather coat), jamming the bone through the left shoulder's muscle and shattering the left shoulder's bone!
The Minotaur strikes The Recruit in the left foot with his (moose leather coat), shattering the bone through the *hammerhead shark leather high boot*!
The Minotaur strikes The Recruit in the lower body with his (moose leather coat), bruising the muscle and bruising the pancreas through the -blood spider chit leggings-!
The Minotaur strikes The Recruit in the left lower leg with his (moose leather coat), bruising the bone through the -blood spider chit leggings-!
The Recruit has become enraged!
The Recruit is no longer stunned.
The Minotaur gores The Recruit in the left hand with his left horn, shattering the bone through the -eland bone left gauntlet-!
The Recruit loses hold of the (iron dagger).
The Minotaur scratches The Recruit in the second toe, right foot, bruising the muscle through the ðgoat leather high bootð!
The Recruit misses The Minotaur!
The Minotaur strikes The Recruit in the right lower leg with his (moose leather coat), bruising the bone through the ðgoat leather high bootð!
The Minotaur strikes The Recruit in the right lower leg with his (moose leather coat), bruising the bone and bruising the right knee's muscle through the ðgoat leather high bootð!
The Minotaur strikes The Recruit in the left foot with his (moose leather coat), shattering the bone through the *hammerhead shark leather high boot*!
The Minotaur strikes The Recruit in the left upper leg with his (moose leather coat), bruising the muscle through the -blood spider chit leggings-!

Anyone fancy running arena tests, 10 dogs vs 10 crocs, 10 bulldogs vs. 10 kicking horses, that sort of thing?

Deon: found a bug, weres brought mounts which they should not. Had war monitor lizards and war giant lions.
Yay, a mastiff is biting and biting rodent men!
The savage biome that has giant moose -- it needs some other savage animals too. Having too many G-moose.

Edit: Got an idea: What if could make a new alloy out of junk metals, with dwarven magic, combine useless billon,electrum,zinc,tin,gold,silver or such into a copper-class military metal? Maybe five of any metal magicked into two bars of Nu-Copper.

Added more advice to the workshops page http://df-genesis.wikidot.com/workshops
- buy and melt excess anvils to get metals for armor. Also melt large enemy armors and metal cages.
- after purchasing metal bars from the caravan, check if finishing forge or crucible now offer steel-making.
- pastured dogs and other trainables must be removed from pasture before they can be trained.
- put cage traps in the corridor that leads to the caverns, for security and elk bird taming.
- dig a pasture & herbs & trees cave in a soil layer. The plants and trees will start growing there once you've opened the caverns and the mushroom spores float around the map.

[meowmix]

I was wondering when genesis mod is going to be updated to the newest version?

[Deon]

Today . I solved most of the university stuff which piled up in a huge mess, so now I am up-do-date with my diploma research, but my wife wanted some attention today, so it's second part of the day and no release yet .

[Deon]

If you don't mind, I am removing "adopts owners" from cats. I have other plans for this token.

[TomiTapio]

I don't mind. Mephit familiars on shoulders instead?
Dang, cavern ratmen have black steel swords and metal crossbows and bolts... batmen were easy. Then due to saltwater-oceanside embark, have to drink from caverns, one giant rat and one giant toad killed all initial seven... Maybe the giant rats have too much skills now. My dorfs hopefully had iron daggers (48¤ on embark) in their hands. But arteries were bursting when rat shook them by the head.

[Deon]

Okay, I've updated my initial build to 0.31.23. Now it's time to start adding and tweaking things, I am looking at your files you've sent me via email now, TomiTapio .

P.S. I am removing fireballs and scratching from dwarves. They scratched too much, and it broke bones :/. It's not something I want to see ;P.

[Ahra]

what are you gonna give the obsidians instead? dust?

[Deon]

No, they are already skilled blacksmiths, and I will tweak skills a bit more.

[TomiTapio]

Maybe 2 or 3 castes could be natural swimmers, their caste doing swim training at youths. Oh boy I am getting tired of sphalerite on almost every embark.

[Deon]

Yeah, I rename "castes" to "clans" (so they are "serpent clan", "obsidian clan" etc., I like it more for some reason) and I add a few more and spread skills around.

[Daff]

This all sounds awesome, when can I get to play!?

(I just had my first fort in ages succumb to a siege, damn those frozen waters and incomplete constructions!)