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[Rumrusher]

They have the same triggers: when you hit 20 dwarves they should come. However since 3.18e they come only in winter (before that they came any and every season). However there will be centaurs in the summer (only), again after 20 dwarves, and they have some weapons and armor, and nice bows.

So you should have spring and autumn free from sieges (until you get demonic/illithid sieges), I've made it this way so you could get traders and migrants.

so all I need to do is change the come in winter to come when ever and embark hack the number of dwarfs to 20 and enjoy my werewolf burgers with my werewolf table in the hall of werewolf which has a statue of a stuff Jacob in a fetal position.
though I shouldn't go too insane on the wolf attacks until I find out how to turn a abandon fort into a retirement site with out removing all the work I put into it while still be able to retire in it again.
it got to be the perfect flux of reusable site for the merging of both adventurer mode and fort mode. hopefully I can find this out before toady makes due with the caravan mod and makes my discovery pointless.

[draconis307]

Deus ex Machina, yes you can just change them back to the default ones .

Would the converse work? Just cutting the castes out and pasting them into a copy of vanilla?

Yes. You will also miss breasts/genitalia this way, but you won't get any castes.

Oh, no, I meant: What if I copy castes from Genesis into the files of vanilla DF? Will I have working castes, but not everything else?

Sorry for the mix-up.

I'm pretty new to DF in general, but I'm fairly sure that would cause an error, since all the dwarf castes (and pretty much everything else applicable) in the mod call on the MALEGEN and FEMALEGEN body parts defined in the body_faerun.txt file. You'd need to at least copy that file over as well, or delete those body parts from the creature tags, I think. Granted I haven't checked, so there may be more things like that which would make copying it over difficult.

Also, Deon I noticed how you expanded metals and metal working for dwarf mode and I started wondering if you were planning on expanding it further. Other alloys and such. Maybe add in bog iron gathering to round out that huge selection in iron production. Though I wouldn't know exactly how that would be accomplished... Maybe a 'farm' style building that requires outdoors which produces unrefined bog iron.

[Qinetix]

wait why temperature and weather are disabled?

I saw those with a No in the d_int file (ye i was trying to disable cave ins  )

EDIT: I think its disabled because of the possible fps drop on older machines

[Deon]

Well they were disabled because I was testing the changes with siegers and without temp. and weather the game runs faster . I just forgot to set it back.

Deus ex Machina, yes you can just change them back to the default ones .

Would the converse work? Just cutting the castes out and pasting them into a copy of vanilla?

Yes. You will also miss breasts/genitalia this way, but you won't get any castes.

Oh, no, I meant: What if I copy castes from Genesis into the files of vanilla DF? Will I have working castes, but not everything else?

Sorry for the mix-up.

I'm pretty new to DF in general, but I'm fairly sure that would cause an error, since all the dwarf castes (and pretty much everything else applicable) in the mod call on the MALEGEN and FEMALEGEN body parts defined in the body_faerun.txt file. You'd need to at least copy that file over as well, or delete those body parts from the creature tags, I think. Granted I haven't checked, so there may be more things like that which would make copying it over difficult.

Also, Deon I noticed how you expanded metals and metal working for dwarf mode and I started wondering if you were planning on expanding it further. Other alloys and such. Maybe add in bog iron gathering to round out that huge selection in iron production. Though I wouldn't know exactly how that would be accomplished... Maybe a 'farm' style building that requires outdoors which produces unrefined bog iron.

Yes, you copy-paste the whole "dwarf" creature, replacing the vanilla ones. Then you have to deal with genitals and breasts.
1) If you want to get rid of them, remove MALEGEN, FEMALEGEN and 2BREASTS from the body definitions within castes.
2) If you're okay with them, just copy body_faerun.txt along and it should work as it is.

[D_E]

Hey Deon,

I'm trying to get a handle on the graphics options. 

First, it looks like it's impossible to have different graphics for different castes, which means I'm going slightly crazy, 'cause I thought it could be done.

Second, do you know if the graphics stuff accepts custom noble positions (by the way, in the graphics_example file you have DUNGEON_NASTER instead of DUNGEON_MASTER)?

[Karakzon]

i had my first fort on this modd.

the kobolds ambushes and the dungeon keeper invasions fight each other most of the time they attack me. ie: the kobolds ambush my seigers.
i find this highly amusing. mind: it is a 2x2 tile map im on, because i needed to cut down alot of land to preserve the precious FPS since im just figuring stuff out on this version. so might be that they are just bound to run into each other. eather way, nice work Deon its definatly a good modd.

[WraithLord24]

deon i was using the arena messing around when i noticed somthing about the asp aparently they have no genders.

[Qinetix]

will we be able to mine in adventure mode =3 ?

[Deon]

Hey Deon,

I'm trying to get a handle on the graphics options. 

First, it looks like it's impossible to have different graphics for different castes, which means I'm going slightly crazy, 'cause I thought it could be done.

Second, do you know if the graphics stuff accepts custom noble positions (by the way, in the graphics_example file you have DUNGEON_NASTER instead of DUNGEON_MASTER)?

Yes, it does. And thanks for the info, it was a typo .

will we be able to mine in adventure mode =3 ?

It only depends on Toady, because it's not moddable.

deon i was using the arena messing around when i noticed somthing about the asp aparently they have no genders.

Yes, they are supposed to have a queen "somewhere" but normally they are genderless, "drones".

[Torgan]

Thought I'd give the new version a try so have embarked on a warm location that should have access to all races which should be interesting.  I will report back with my findings if any.   The game did crash several times when I tried to gen a world with the highest amount of civs, don't know if that's a Genesis thing or just a vanilla issue again?

Just checked the wiki and I think the links for some of the images have expired, the plant and ironwork tables are only showing the file names to me.  Sorry if I'm being dense but they've worked fine for me previously, and the bronzeworking image shows ok.

[Deon]

Weird, it may be some access issue.
Can you see this: http://xmages.net/storage/10/1/0/9/3/upload/3a023913.png ?

[TomiTapio]

Two settlements make their home near the magma sea...
(Deon: that image's server "is taking too long to respond". 15 minutes later it works.)

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

-- Dieglazes, Rashfikod, region11, with Gen3.18e's changes.
gonna make home near the magma.
2x2 temp.marsh, 2 biomes(different stone layers)
18 copper, much underground seeds. 2 bulldogs. 27 pine logs.
umm... puddingstone aquifer? yep. relocate.
.....
2x2 temp.something, 2 biomes(different stone layers)
3 miners.
unicorns here. forge copper tools.
find caves on -8 to -12. Caves 2 on -15 to 19.
decide to make home on -30 near warm semi-molten rock.
too much warm stone! even up on -25.

farmer died of cave croc! woe! Lost Olin too!
A Nith harasses us.
find caves 3 on -20 to -24. Doesn't look good.
tantrums.
Year 1 summer.
damn draltha killed one miner!
smith dead of cave croc.......... still no magma seen for home-making!
one more dead. 2 left. Flee to nearest village.
Must wall off caves as soon as they're opened!



-- Riverwall, Igeradil.
gonna make home near the magma.
2x2 temp.conifer.
find caves and downward passage.
-27 warm stone. make home on -26.
foudn a magma pool. warm obsidian wall.
bah caves 1 block nice stairs between pond-farm and home. and magma blocks path on home level.
oh all these stairs it's so very untidy.
find magma sea on -27. (already down to 313 fps)
no food no drink. only meat...
Summer. Drink and food is okay now.
bulldog died to forest spider's venom.
Adamantine found.

ore-smelting with magma begins.
mid-summer migrants to 12!
make bucket-reservoir-pool away from hot but near home. oh, make buckets.
migrants to 15. (302 fps)
home caravan. rats are eating our seeds.
make gold into useful furniture.
Year 1 winter.
make magma finishing forge: CRASH.
..
make magma finishing forges.
nords, make depot near magmaworks.
Year 2 spring.
Hooray migrants to 38! Unlimited hauling!
child crafting mood: muskox bone spike for trap.

FB comes, eyeless tarantula.
a 16-flayer SIEGE. 53k wealth. wall off them? hmm. haulers outside. got them indoors.
walling done; its good to have many mason trainees.
now can make weapons for weapon traps. and maybe ARMORS.
we're cut off from iron ores.
Year 2 summer.
have 14 red steel thanks to ilme/baux we embarked with. make sweet edged weapons.
have lots and lots of cassiterite(tin) but no copper.
oh. insane merchant. gonna stink up the base.
let the invaders in.
2nd SIEGE! late summer centaurs.
whoa, some centaurs block +trap+ -spears a lot! fight some. victory, both sieges over. (145 fps)
Year 2 autumn.
mood: granite amulet, 4k.
found garnierite. Bah nickel.
migrants to 45!
90 gold, 120 tin... low on armor metals.
home caravan. orcs.
..
trading, 1500 per =gold flask=.
155 fps, 2x2 embark, 45 citizens, 0+16 animals, 3 cavern layers (3 and magma seen). 432k wealth. 2300 stones. Much stairs, home at magma.
"The Forgotten Beast Lothe Maken Sleftiche has come!  A great eyeless panda.  It has four stubby horns and it has a gaunt appearance.  Its copper hair is very curly.  Beware its poisonous bite!"
mood: a fir figurine of someone, 10k.

Ooh a RED DRAGON comes! fight. a wrestler died. our red steel weapons defeat it. Mastiff puppy tears its leg muscle.
Unib and Vucar bled out later.
late winter, greeting cage caught two snatchers.
nords.
Alath bled out.

Year 3 spring.
Atis bled out... sparring with all body fat gone-melted?
bad floor building connected a path to caverns 3.
leather mood: goat leather helm. 8k.
a wrestler bled out, not combat. Damn dragon!
immigrants to 57. 109 fps.
Urdim bled out.
Zon the planter bled out carrying two truffles.
have 283 dragon fat filling a kitchen. and 612 meat.
two caravans, 3-4 kobbos.
dyer bled out. in the fancy new dining room.

late spring, a flayer SIEGE. someone bled out bleh. in teh training barracks.
fight number one. lost one. clean traps.
someone bled out.
Year 3 summer.
a mason bled out.
potasher bled out at the well.
foolish merchants leave and climb up to flayers. duskie swordy lasted 18 pages.
A hero (skills 5-6) bled out!!
dorfs will not dump flayer corpses!
send the squads up to flayers. several casualties. we 44. axer lasted 7 pages, iron spear fractured hip through iron leggings... (82 fps)
mood: donkey bone chain, 1k.
hospital kid dead of thirst.
dyer dead, 20 pagefuls of combat.
bled. Rakust bled, 8 pages.
FB, gigantic oxpecker.
soldier moron wanders up past burrow boundary. fish dissector 100 pages, magically good chitin hood protects. shattering skull XX times.
one dead of thirst. we39.
everybody thirsty... bad tiny bucket-carried reservoir, bloody too.
..
bah, all caverns are dry!!! fight the flayers, many losses. 28 of use, WHYY would they not come to our traps earlier? was their leader trapped in a welcome-cage?
6 of 24 in rest. 3 foes left. try for the surface. all die to 3 spearflayers.
A centaur siege comes. FECK. with war black bears.
15 of us.

lesson to posterity: have 3 reservoirs or cavern water.
should have dug up to surface pool from below, using burrow-expanding all the way. or wall off the main stairwell. NOT burrow-restriction-lifted.
victory!  (46 fps, fps death)

[Torgan]

Weird, it may be some access issue.
Can you see this: http://xmages.net/storage/10/1/0/9/3/upload/3a023913.png ?

I just get

"The connection was reset     

The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading." with firefox both on that link and on the wiki page.

[Rumrusher]

oh goog I never had my pc blue screen this much attempting to play fort mode.
some how werewolves with military commander (and some other Military nobles) that I can control a invading army of the creatures keeps killing my pc, or was it the adventurer case I made from the display case? Either reason what I didn't expect is my pc to crash than just DF failing to play.

[Deon]

I don't know, there must be something wrong with your system, I don't get a single crash .