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[McBeer]

..something incredible is happening in my 29 y.o. fort now.
I am sieged by at last 4 civs now, and Illithids are occupying river edge(hidden)...look what is going on with water(brain's in the river):

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..are they able to poison water source that way?? It would be FUNNY!
I didn't know that diffusion is emulated TOO! What an awesome possibilities that might have, damn..

btw, cyclop megabeast was killed by them(other Illithids group) in 2(TWO) seconds for some reason..
another interesting thing: i can see white war lion under water surface(i think so), and it's not drowning..

dessert sshot:...


anyone has ..balls to try one?:


This is hilarious.

[TomiTapio]

Hey Deon... bronze was 10k max-edge as I told earlier:

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red steel is [MAX_EDGE:50000]
black steel [MAX_EDGE:30000]
normal steel [MAX_EDGE:27500]
sun gold is [MAX_EDGE:27500]
wrought iron [MAX_EDGE:12500]
spellwood is [MAX_EDGE:10000] as are brass and bronze and copper.
Damn, bronze should have better edge than copper!!
I propose the following: red steel 42k, black steel 32k, steel stays 27k, three bronzes 15k, wrought 14.5k, brass and copper 11.5k, silvers stay at 10k.

Events in Ragshake, 2x2 and volcano place:

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dig down. find caves 1 on -17 to -23 (-56 if on volcano's square)
a demon cat gives trouble in the cavern. lost one dw!! it's only cat-sized!!
captured our first wildlife: a goat!
haul stones. wall off the caves.
a bronze statue menaces. On Top Of The Volcano!
woodcrafter gets mood: oaken crown, 2400 worth... junk!

late autumn, duskies. home and orc traders.
(frozen cave floater juice is a leather, as is gelatinous cube skin.)
mountainhomes ask for thread. trade for 20k of their items. offer 10k to the mountain king.
Year 2 winter.
a rhino from the duskies... donkey, bulldog, eland, booze, cheeses from orcs.
..
120-135 fps, 2x2 embark, 49 citizens, 2+26 animals, 3 cavern layers (1 opened). 840k wealth. 900 stones. volcano.
dig more ore.
late winter, nord and ezra traders. sylvans too. (100 fps)
butcher excess animals.

Year 3 spring.
migrants from 49 to 74! were are mighty rich. (1,13 M) 70 females 4 males.
make 2nd dining room, with rough marble flooring.
smith mood: copper crossbow, 56k, wiht image of a dwarf lass in grossular.
open the caves again. get ore. (97 fps haul)
a baby boy was born.
Dammit, we can not cut enough trees to piss of the sylvans!
Kivi Usvakuula engraves dozens of great images!

a were siege comes.
Fight! lost two.
duskie traders.
a flayer siege comes! with beasts. nine in bedrest so... let the traps take them. screw the duskies.
they're too close, civilians can not get to home! except by climbing up and down the volcano-paths.

flayer spear and mace users, and two elite spearers. one gith macer.
3 dw died. military is useless -- they're in the hospital!
make squads 3 and 4 of novices.
and the idiots start fighting outdoors where they are, with only clothes.... down to 59 dw.
why oh why they weren't in armor in everyday!

19 invaders still. so much death because the siege appeared 19 steps from our door.
1 elk bird left, it is still a siege...
we have 47 survivors. lost 27!! 10 in hospital.

Year 3 summer.
much tantrums and one melancholy.
forbid most hauling labors.
Hihna and Duuni became sad. Vuori died. ten people on the justice list.
someone killed The Doctor! Woodcutter put an axe to her skull.
the people want to talk in the dining rooms instead of burials and nursing.
brewer went berserk, slay.
oops, cancel the burrows-only alert...
soldier-miner died.
one furnacer berserk.

migrants.
animal trainer died.
miller went insane.
many more deaths. Battle's hero died of thirst.
smith suffocated. planted dehydrated.
gem setter mood:
blacksmith berserk. 45,44,43 of us.
herbalist-militia suffocated.
a dead eland on the dining tables. need more refuse areas...
someone killed a miller. damn woodcutter again.

A WERE SIEGE COMES.
one dead.
steel-armor Risty-mil somehow escapes the pack. HE is content. And a gloomer. Left hand missing. Then he dies to two were-packs surrounding him.
armorer died. wrestler died.
volcano-side protecting cages catch a snatcher.
elite wrestler died. weres survive the trap-corridor!!
good trap's *copper axes* just glance away from were torsos and heads!! Grays' limbs do fly off however.
war rhino gores were limbs off!
VICTORYYY! 35 dwarves still breathing. 18+ in hospital.

keeper caravan.
hero furnacer went sad. she slew five weres.
clothier berserk. war rhino sits on her.
piglets out of breeding cage so tantrumers can kick them.
(77 fps)
(CRASH. lost an hour, the summer.)
..

Year 3 summer. 47 dw.
death and misery.
11 of 39 in hospital, and many mad.
35 dw breathing.
late summer, a were siege.
trap corridor and every able body vs. weres: victory! one dw went berserk. 33 dw left. 13 in hospital.
war rhino did well.

early autumn. 12 in hospital.
the mother-furnacer is stabbing people with her sword.
..
(63-73 fps)
only 3 of 28 in hospital! the half-content ones can haul stuff now.
a flayer siege comes.
(the moment you give movement order, it ios important if enemies are withing "hearing range". two died.)
one enemy war leader, too, she is extremely wrinkled. one mace lord, one archmaster, lots of spears.
the trap corridor is working! moron manager charges out.
bushfire while fight at the gate, 1-4 fps... mostly 1.
9 invaders left, looks like victory. war rhino has taken lots of spear hits.
Victory!, maybe the rest fled under cover of smoke.
lost Teline the soldier.
9 in hospital.
the fire has freed a flayer and a were from the cages!!
zero fps. tantrums. a bronze statue comes.
fire gone, 12 fps.
Year 3 winter.
..
80-93 fps, 2x2 embark, 23 citizens, 1+16 animals, 3 cavern layers (1 opened). 1,65M wealth. 1260 stones. volcano.
child's mood: a goat bone table! 1200.
bonedoc-furnacer died of thirst. we have 17 able, 4 kids, 2 cripples.
peace at last, except from the mayor's fists.
weaponsmith stored a fish and some cheese into her room...
install bags/boxes in hospital.

ezras, build a depot.
Flayer siege once again. spear and mace squads, and two Gith.
soldier-miner-treasurer is caught outdoors by them. she slays 1-3 flayers before falling.
Go trap corridor!! Siege is over, without activating the soldiers!
war rhino finishes one crippled gith.
sylvan traders. nords.
whipmachine the cat chooses Työ the no-skills doctor.

I am sieged by at last 4 civs now, and Illithids are occupying river edge...look what is going on with water:
..are they able to poison water source that way??

Looks like it, the outpost brain's area-toxin-blasting seems to have a lovely side effect there.
The outpost brain is a moron, blasting away at their mounts. Or it's a thing it can't control, like dandruff.

Yeah would be FUN to have puny lives-in-pools puffs-out-poison lizards. And because of magic, a firebird that leaves a trail of burning/stunning stuff.


(Reads bronze vs. iron discussions)
http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9741919888/m/8341988559
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=135316
http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php?topic=67149.0

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Bronze blade vs. steel blade.
    * Bronze is more dense than steel [8.77 vs 7.85], so a bronze blade is ~11% heavier than similar steel blade.
    * Bronze is made of copper and tin, which can be melted and refined with low-tech smelter. Iron is more common than copper and tin, but requires more complex smelting and higher temperatures. Iron refining is difficult and expensive with low-tech equipment.
    * Broken bronze blade needs to be melted and re-cast. Broken steel blade can be welded.
    * High quality bronze blade can be as good as mild-steel blade, but bronze becomes obsolete when high-carbon steel is available.

Modern Knapping end results: http://www.flickr.com/photos/39416639@N02/

[Pan]

...blasting away at their mounts...

 Oh, so thats what all the endlesss breath attacks are all about. Man I hate love those illithids, breaking my floodgate like that, then swimming out of there like nothing happened. On the bright side I haven't gotten a single were siege yet, in this fort and the previous one. Are they more badass then the illithids?

And a thing on those dark dwarves. Are they like the animal men civs that live underground?

[Deon]

Yes they are, they are in caverns.

Werewolves are mostly dangerous because they are big. They have no armor though so armorclad armed dwarves can kill them normally. Also they have tough body so they are less likely to be killed fast.

Thanks for the edge correction, Tomi, I think you're right.

Cool screenshot, McBeer. That nord has a zoo around him .

[TomiTapio]

Thanks for the edge correction, Tomi, I think you're right.

Yay!
Maybe one could rename "wrought iron" to "low steel" or "punk steel", as actual wrought iron is useless in weapons, they say.
"wrought iron" is just too long an adjective in my book. Hmm just "iron" for gear and the ore would make "raw iron".

[Pan]

Sounds like fun! The werewolves in the Relentless Assault mod the werewolves are fast and good for running down civilians and lone soldiers caught outside. Maybe you could do something similar with them? I mean, they are tough. Big deal. Theres the illithids, DK2 (man i love that game), and serpentfolks. They're tough too. Different strengths and weaknesses for the invaders would be nice.

[Deon]

But they don't come the first year as Weres doo. And their castes are quite different.

[omglazers]

Whats odd is the Popratio value looks perfectly fine, yet I'm still experiencing the same nutty female to male ratio!

[Deon]

It's random, and it says all .

[Pan]

Hmm. They don't for me. I get pretty jealous of Tomitapio's constant were sieges. I mean, sure, the mind flayers are annoying, breaching my defenses via the brook and the well system, but they are way too easy. One martial trancing, steel clad steel dwarf routed an entire siege by himself.
The DK2 monsters are all clad in bronze or copper, meaning they are virtually no match for dwarven soldiers equiped with decent quality steel (once, a merchant guard marksdwarf shot and killed the goblin leader and two of his underlings, and the rest retreated. The siege started when the merchants were just arriving.) The serpentfolk fare even worse, with small sieges that are even less deadly than ambushes - at least ambushes hide and kills the guard moniter lizard or something.
 So, anyway, I just kind of wanted to address the problem of the enemies being too easy, and my problem of werewolves not showing up in the first year. I have checked that there is a were civ, they have access to me.

[Z1000000m]

Why butchering kittens give you only a skull?
No bones, no skin , no bones.
Wtf. The though of skinless, boneless kittens is creeping me out.

[Untelligent]

The kittens are too small to get a useful amount of bones or skin.

[TomiTapio]

Hmm. They don't for me. I get pretty jealous of Tomitapio's constant were sieges. I mean, sure, the mind flayers are annoying
The DK2 monsters are all clad in bronze or copper, meaning they are virtually no match for dwarven soldiers equipped with decent quality steel

Steel is the advantage of dwarves. Traps, too. The villains have size, speed, numbers, poisons, fire.

Caravan guards are supposed to be bad-ass, adventurer class fellows.

I have given flayers chainmails, daggers, maces and spears and removed their outpost brains and tadpoles. Also I've nerfed weres somewhat.
Wish I had lots of goblins, esp. bow- and swordgoblins for a challenge. Weres being bulky and raging, they don't avoid traps. Female goblins I have given TrapAvoid. Lizardfolk are just primitives, they should be no threat versus three full-armor dwarves.

Small mistake on my part: made weres attack ON PRODUCTION, so if you make many sets of steel gear, the were sieges come. I'd rather have them come on population and trade triggers.
Deon: maybe the order of the hostiles should be: 1. lizardfolk 2. vanilla goblins 3. high-speed raging weres (not Toughmaterial) 4. flayers with chainmails and spears 5. DK2 civ with one caste being A Dragon.

[TomiTapio]

Rolling a new world for new fun fort... I did Something right with the raws, got a place
116: Vikkeläsormus, "Quicknessrings", a mountain fortress
   Owner: The Coal of Birds, dwarves  Parent Civ: The Incidental Crystal, dwarves
   243 dwarves
so I can be assured lots of migrants from there.

I recommend everyone choose a parent civ that has at least one town over 45 people.

new place, if anyone cares... about a 290 minute session.

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-- PuhujaKylä, Speakertowns, region3
3x2 trop dry broadleaft, 2sq wasteland, warm.
Parent civ populous The Flickering Chamber,
zero underground plants available!
copper,tin, 5 dogs 2 turkey 2 chicken.

first workshops, make tools, meet ellyphants.
bugger, world ends at -4, wrong settings.


-- JärjestöNuoli, Orderbolt, region5
3x2, trop coniferous forest warm serene, 2sq trop shrubland
copper, tin, chickens.
Meet unicorns.
foudn hematite and lignite on first digs.
summer. reservoir and main "hall" done.
migrants to 15, hurrah!
autumn. good mining, have steel already.
and hospital next to reservoir.
migrants to 23. prosper, 30k wealth. got one good soldier (lv 5 skills).
mood: donkey bone spear, 2k.
a crow stole rabbit meat fries.
home caravan. Eww, mummy meat!
winter.
three kobold thieves at once. put some guard animals.

Lovely migrants to 44! Sort into soldiers by abilities.
235 fps, 3x2 embark, 44 citizens, 1+25 animals, 3 cavern layers (0 opened). 120k wealth. 730 stones.
dig to find non-iron ores.
a silly minotaur comes. 8 pages of log, then steel sword halves it, done.
Year 2 spring.
orc traders, 10k of stuff, for three steel shields.
11k from duskies, for two steel axes and 2 mails.
Year 2 summer.
170 fps, 3x2 embark, 44 citizens, 1+31 animals, 3 cavern layers (0 opened). 424k wealth. 1350 stones. MADE LONG TUNNELS.
dig down, find caves at -10. 185 fps.
dig more, but dont open path to caves.
no migrants season.

Armorer has become leader.
keeper traders, their pack animals Suck! They get one sword.
sylvans, two steel items for them.
Year 2 autumn.
150 fps, 3x2 embark, 44 citizens, 4+32 animals, 3 cavern layers (1 opened but no path). 572k wealth. 2100 stones.
dig some fancy rooms.
gem setter mood: chalcedony window, 8400.
duskies.
a pikegoblin ambush, wow! woodcutter died. agile icer-trainee died (pike-stab to spine. last, silver pike really exploded her hand)
guard raccoon spots speargoblin squad! duskies help defeat them.
home caravan and two others.

Flayer one-squad siege! 16 plus elk bird.
first dw to charge, dead. spear-dw, dead.
victory. haul. 112 fps (including caravans).
trade good steels from the mountainhomes.

Year 2 winter. 133 fps (including caravans). one in hospital.
let the soldiers hunt some warthogs.
goblin-killer good mason is crippled for life.
Pihti had twin babies. Her family gets a bedroom with a statue and a fancy bag.
(145 fps)
super-stinky butcher shop, relocate.
war cheetah chases snatcher away. Snatcher is faster!
remove the farms.
dig space for furniture storage.
fey crafting mood: a warthog bone grate, huh?? 1200.

A were siege! (42 dw, 592k wealth) late winter.
A three-group flayer siege! With lots of mounts!

Our traps are way too few for those groups!
Walling successful! We have time to build more traps..
They dance on our 3 weapon traps.

make steel and bronze trap bits. wealth shot up +400k.
miner opens up the welcome-corridor. one fleshwarper comes and tries. more come, spearmaster made it through with only one nick! Then the moron leaves, through the traps.
oh what morons. the enemies die.
cleanup and reset. one foe is lured in.
open main corridor, send soldiers to chase too-fast elk birds. finally a cheetah makes it slow down.
(bug: it's still a siege with four weak enemy mounts remaining.)
victory, late spring 6th.
wild unicorn killed a spaniel.
3 of 42 in hospital. (115 fps)

late spring 15th, A SIEGE! orc crossbows. (1.9 M wealth)
they smash our outdoor animals. war lion was Very durable.
solid victory. hunt unicorns to celebrate.
Year 3 summer.
105 fps, 3x2 embark, 42 citizens, 3+16 animals, 3 cavern layers (1 opened but no path). 1.93k wealth. 2200 stones. siege litter.
a few (9) migrants to 51.
weaponsmith mood: iron spear, 30k, with elk bird leather.

[Pan]

... if anyone cares...

 Are you daft? Your stories are awesome.

 One thing I've noticed about chickens is that they're all pretty tough.

 One of my previous forts, one of the roosters somehow got a crow in an armlock with his wings, then punched it to death, which I find kind of funny. They also tend to have a record of killing buzzards and vulures that go down the main stairwell and scare the civilians half to death.

 But what really proves my point is in my current fort. I had forgotten to turn off hauling for one of the FNG steel dwarf, so he was hauling instead of using the training dummy. A serpentfolk ambush caught him with his pet chicken. All of them kinda dogpiled him, while the other one went for the chicken.
 The chicken got enraged, and actually inflicted some light wounds on the armed and armored serpentfolk! As an added bonus, the steel dwarf got a ton of red wounds when the military came to rescue them. The chicken, however, helped the military chase down and delay the last cocatrice enough for the military catch up (which is more than those slow mastiffs ever did).  So, I'm just saying that the chickens might be pretty badass for livestock, not that I'm complaining.