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[Bloogonis]

those are awesome! do you have a non jpeg version? It sucks that Jpeg ruins images.

[Kaelem Gaen]

I think the farming thing was originally to make it "tougher" as a "primative" culture not knowing about agrarian techniques yet.   I'm glad to see Gobbo decided they could garden now though, granted most of the KC is about self-limitations and how you personally see the kobbs.

On a sidenote, I'm wondering if a "bone sling" would actually mean the cradle is made of bone pieces, and the string sinew... though currently I'm working on the primitive workshop/space to make leather slings, granted they don't get quality bonuses like the bone and wooden slings at the bowyers.

[Haggle]

Yeah sorry about that Bloogonis, I wasn't sure where to upload and tinypic was the only image hosting site that was uploading anything for me. 

Anyways, I have to say, this mod is awesome. Kobold Camp happened to be my most treasured mod before 2010, and I'm sure I'll be enjoying it just as much now that it's been remade. What with the new military improvements and all the new custom workshops stuff...

Also, are Kobold furs brown, grey or just hairless. I could never come to a conclusion.

[Kaelem Gaen]

I'll check the default  Creature_Standard text on Kobolds and get back to you on that, but I believe they have brown skin.

[Hermit_Blake]

I thought the lack of farming was to do with them being strict carnivores.
Then again, the hell do I know I always played 'em as cute, weak, non-farming dwarves.

[Kaelem Gaen]

Actually you're right they were carnivores in the original mod I believe, my bad.

also judging by this

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    [SELECT_CASTE:ALL]
        [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SKIN]
            [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BROWN:1]
                [TLCM_NOUN:skin:SINGULAR]
            [TISSUE_LAYER_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:WRINKLY:0:0:0:0:0:0:0]
                [APP_MOD_RATE:1:YEARLY:0:100:60:0:NO_END]
                [APP_MOD_NOUN:skin:SINGULAR]
        [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EYE:EYE]
            [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:PUPIL_EYE_YELLOW:1]
                [TLCM_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]
the kobolds have brown wrinkly skin, and I didn't see a mention of hair in the apperance section.

[tfaal]

Hey guess, did you know that if you make a stone's [IMPACT_FRACTURE] 5000000, it becomes unmineable? You could edit the stone_template in the  material_template_default file to that setting, then make specific exceptions in the material_stone file for soft stones like chert.

[Hermit_Blake]

D'ya know if they're still carnivores, or if not how to make that true?

[Lairian]

Oh, wow, making me dust of my login for this site...

Hi all, avid proponent of Kobold Camp, from /tg/ to here.  I was running a communal fortress for a short while too, before the eminent new release sucked all motivation in favor of waiting for the "new" version.

Anyway, been working on graphics for a while to supplement that fortress, very much in the Cutebold/Gobbo style.  I'll have to add a whole new mess of them for the new jobs...

Let's see if I can figure out linking or uploading...


http://lairian.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/kobolds.png

The old graphics_mayday.txt for them was:

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[TILE_PAGE:KOBOLDS]
[FILE:mayday/kobolds.bmp]
[TILE_DIM:16:16]
[PAGE_DIM:10:9]

[CREATURE_GRAPHICS:KOBOLD]

[DEFAULT:KOBOLDS:0:0:ADD_COLOR]
[STANDARD:KOBOLDS:0:0:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[CHILD:KOBOLDS:0:1:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[BABY:KOBOLDS:0:2:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[DRUNK:KOBOLDS:0:6:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[MERCHANT:KOBOLDS:9:0:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[CHAMPION:KOBOLDS:0:8:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[THIEF:KOBOLDS:0:7:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[MASTER_THIEF:KOBOLDS:8:0:AS_IS:DEFAULT]

[ADMINISTRATOR:KOBOLDS:2:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[CLERK:KOBOLDS:2:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[TAXCOLLECTOR:KOBOLDS:8:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[TRADER:KOBOLDS:9:0:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[PHILOSOPHER:KOBOLDS:5:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[DIPLOMAT:KOBOLDS:2:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[EXECUTIONER:KOBOLDS:6:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[DUNGEONMASTER:DORFS:4:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[ALCHEMIST:KOBOLDS:4:4:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[ADVISOR:KOBOLDS:4:6:AS_IS:DEFAULT]

[GUILDREP:KOBOLDS:7:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[OUTPOSTLIAISON:KOBOLDS:7:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]

[BARON:KOBOLDS:0:6:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[BARON_CONSORT:KOBOLDS:1:6:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[COUNT:KOBOLDS:0:6:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[COUNT_CONSORT:KOBOLDS:1:6:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[DUKE:KOBOLDS:0:6:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[DUKE_CONSORT:KOBOLDS:1:6:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[KING:KOBOLDS:2:6:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[KING_CONSORT:KOBOLDS:3:6:AS_IS:DEFAULT]

[MAYOR:KOBOLDS:0:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[LEADER:KOBOLDS:0:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[CAPTAIN_OF_THE_GUARD:KOBOLDS:3:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[SHERIFF:KOBOLDS:3:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[MANAGER:KOBOLDS:1:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[BOOKKEEPER:KOBOLDS:2:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[BROKER:KOBOLDS:7:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[HIGH_PRIEST:KOBOLDS:4:6:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[PRIEST:KOBOLDS:4:6:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[SHOPKEEPER:KOBOLDS:9:0:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[SLAVE:KOBOLDS:6:0:AS:_IS:DEFAULT]
[PRISONER:KOBOLDS:6:0:AS_IS:DEFAULT]

[RECRUIT:KOBOLDS:0:7:AS_IS:DEFAULT]

[WRESTLER:KOBOLDS:1:7:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[SWORDSMAN:KOBOLDS:2:7:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[AXEMAN:KOBOLDS:4:7:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[HAMMERMAN:KOBOLDS:7:7:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[MACEMAN:KOBOLDS:6:7:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[SPEARMAN:KOBOLDS:3:7:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[PIKEMAN:KOBOLDS:3:7:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[CROSSBOWMAN:KOBOLDS:5:7:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[BOWMAN:KOBOLDS:5:7:AS_IS:DEFAULT]

[MASTER_WRESTLER:KOBOLDS:1:8:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[MASTER_SWORDSMAN:KOBOLDS:2:8:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[MASTER_AXEMAN:KOBOLDS:4:8:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[MASTER_HAMMERMAN:KOBOLDS:7:8:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[MASTER_MACEMAN:KOBOLDS:6:8:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[MASTER_SPEARMAN:KOBOLDS:3:8:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[MASTER_PIKEMAN:KOBOLDS:3:8:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[MASTER_CROSSBOWMAN:KOBOLDS:5:8:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[MASTER_BOWMAN:KOBOLDS:5:8:AS_IS:DEFAULT]

[RECRUIT:KOBOLDS:0:7:AS_IS:GUARD]

[WRESTLER:KOBOLDS:1:7:AS_IS:GUARD]
[SWORDSMAN:KOBOLDS:2:7:AS_IS:GUARD]
[AXEMAN:KOBOLDS:4:7:AS_IS:GUARD]
[HAMMERMAN:KOBOLDS:7:7:AS_IS:GUARD]
[MACEMAN:KOBOLDS:6:7:AS_IS:GUARD]
[SPEARMAN:KOBOLDS:3:7:AS_IS:GUARD]
[PIKEMAN:KOBOLDS:3:7:AS_IS:GUARD]
[CROSSBOWMAN:KOBOLDS:5:7:AS_IS:GUARD]
[BOWMAN:KOBOLDS:5:7:AS_IS:GUARD]

[MASTER_WRESTLER:KOBOLDS:1:8:AS_IS:GUARD]
[MASTER_SWORDSMAN:KOBOLDS:2:8:AS_IS:GUARD]
[MASTER_AXEMAN:KOBOLDS:4:8:AS_IS:GUARD]
[MASTER_HAMMERMAN:KOBOLDS:7:8:AS_IS:GUARD]
[MASTER_MACEMAN:KOBOLDS:6:8:AS_IS:GUARD]
[MASTER_SPEARMAN:KOBOLDS:3:8:AS_IS:GUARD]
[MASTER_PIKEMAN:KOBOLDS:3:8:AS_IS:GUARD]
[MASTER_CROSSBOWMAN:KOBOLDS:5:8:AS_IS:GUARD]
[MASTER_BOWMAN:5:8:AS_IS:GUARD]

[RECRUIT:KOBOLDS:0:7:AS_IS:ROYALGUARD]

[WRESTLER:KOBOLDS:1:7:AS_IS:ROYALGUARD]
[SWORDSMAN:KOBOLDS:2:7:AS_IS:ROYALGUARD]
[AXEMAN:KOBOLDS:4:7:AS_IS:ROYALGUARD]
[HAMMERMAN:KOBOLDS:7:7:AS_IS:ROYALGUARD]
[MACEMAN:KOBOLDS:6:7:AS_IS:ROYALGUARD]
[SPEARMAN:KOBOLDS:3:7:AS_IS:ROYALGUARD]
[PIKEMAN:KOBOLDS:3:7:AS_IS:ROYALGUARD]
[CROSSBOWMAN:KOBOLDS:5:7:AS_IS:ROYALGUARD]
[BOWMAN:KOBOLDS:5:7:AS_IS:ROYALGUARD]

[MASTER_WRESTLER:KOBOLDS:1:8:AS_IS:ROYALGUARD]
[MASTER_SWORDSMAN:KOBOLDS:2:8:AS_IS:ROYALGUARD]
[MASTER_AXEMAN:KOBOLDS:4:8:AS_IS:ROYALGUARD]
[MASTER_HAMMERMAN:KOBOLDS:7:8:AS_IS:ROYALGUARD]
[MASTER_MACEMAN:KOBOLDS:6:8:AS_IS:ROYALGUARD]
[MASTER_SPEARMAN:KOBOLDS:3:8:AS_IS:ROYALGUARD]
[MASTER_PIKEMAN:KOBOLDS:3:8:AS_IS:ROYALGUARD]
[MASTER_CROSSBOWMAN:KOBOLDS:5:8:AS_IS:ROYALGUARD]
[MASTER_BOWMAN:KOBOLDS:5:8:AS_IS:ROYALGUARD]

[MINER:KOBOLDS:7:1:AS_IS:DEFAULT]

[METALSMITH:KOBOLDS:8:3:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[BLACKSMITH:KOBOLDS:8:3:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[WEAPONSMITH:KOBOLDS:8:3:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[ARMORER:KOBOLDS:8:3:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[METALCRAFTER:KOBOLDS:8:3:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[FURNACE_OPERATOR:KOBOLDS:7:3:AS_IS:DEFAULT]

[FISHERY_WORKER:KOBOLDS:0:2:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[FISHERMAN:KOBOLDS:2:1:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[FISH_DISSECTOR:KOBOLDS:0:2:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[FISH_CLEANER:KOBOLDS:0:2:AS_IS:DEFAULT]

[CRAFTSMAN:KOBOLDS:1:3:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[WOODCRAFTER:KOBOLDS:2:3:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[STONECRAFTER:KOBOLDS:0:3:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[LEATHERWORKER:KOBOLDS:3:3:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[BONE_CARVER:KOBOLDS:1:3:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[WEAVER:KOBOLDS:5:3:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[CLOTHIER:KOBOLDS:5:3:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[GLASSMAKER:KOBOLDS:4:3:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[STRAND_EXTRACTOR:KOBOLDS:8:3:AS_IS:DEFAULT]

[RANGER:KOBOLDS:6:1:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[HUNTER:KOBOLDS:6:1:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[TRAPPER:KOBOLDS:4:1:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[ANIMAL_TRAINER:KOBOLDS:5:1:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[ANIMAL_CARETAKER:KOBOLDS:5:1:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[ANIMAL_DISSECTOR:KOBOLDS:1:2:AS_IS:DEFAULT]

[JEWELER:KOBOLDS:4:3:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[GEM_CUTTER:KOBOLDS:4:3:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[GEM_SETTER:KOBOLDS:4:3:AS_IS:DEFAULT]

[WOODWORKER:KOBOLDS:2:3:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[WOODCUTTER:KOBOLDS:3:1:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[CARPENTER:KOBOLDS:9:1:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[BOWYER:KOBOLDS:9:3:AS_IS:DEFAULT]

[MECHANIC:KOBOLDS:0:4:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[ENGINEER:KOBOLDS:0:4:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[SIEGE_ENGINEER:KOBOLDS:0:4:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[SIEGE_OPERATOR:KOBOLDS:1:4:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[PUMP_OPERATOR:KOBOLDS:1:4:AS_IS:DEFAULT]

[FARMER:KOBOLDS:0:1:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[THRESHER:KOBOLDS:5:2:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[MILLER:KOBOLDS:7:2:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[BUTCHER:KOBOLDS:1:2:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[TANNER:KOBOLDS:2:2:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[BREWER:KOBOLDS:4:2:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[PLANTER:KOBOLDS:0:1:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[HERBALIST:KOBOLDS:1:1:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[COOK:KOBOLDS:3:2:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[SOAP_MAKER:KOBOLDS:3:4:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[CHEESE_MAKER:KOBOLDS:8:2:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[DYER:KOBOLDS:6:3:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[MILKER:KOBOLDS:6:2:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[POTASH_MAKER:KOBOLDS:2:4:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[LYE_MAKER:KOBOLDS:3:4:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[WOOD_BURNER:KOBOLDS:2:4:AS_IS:DEFAULT]

[STONEWORKER:KOBOLDS:0:3:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[MASON:KOBOLDS:8:1:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[ENGRAVER:KOBOLDS:8:1:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[ARCHITECT:KOBOLDS:8:1:AS_IS:DEFAULT]


but I don't know if/what that'll have to update to.  Hopefully they can be of use to the community!

[Squeegy]

D'ya know if they're still carnivores, or if not how to make that true?

Add [CARNIVORE] to the creature entry.

[Kaelem Gaen]

Alright this noble's entirely optional, but incase someone like the liason is needed to deal with the Kobbo trading/agreements with the tribe here's one.

I've yet to run a Kobb fortress to get the first Caravan actually so I have no clue if stuff works fine with the traders or not.

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    [POSITION:TRIBAL_MESSENGER]
    [NAME:tribal messenger:tribal messengers]
    [NUMBER:1]
    [RESPONSIBILITY:ESTABLISH_COLONY_TRADE_AGREEMENTS]
    [APPOINTED_BY:CHIEFTAIN]
    [PRECEDENCE:80]
    [MENIAL_WORK_EXEMPTION]
    [PUNISHMENT_EXEMPTION]
    [ACCOUNT_EXEMPT]
    [DO_NOT_CULL]
    [COLOR:7:0:1]
    [DUTY_BOUND]
        [REQUIRED_BOXES:1]
        [REQUIRED_CABINETS:1]
        [REQUIRED_RACKS:1]
        [REQUIRED_STANDS:1]
        [REQUIRED_OFFICE:500]
        [REQUIRED_BEDROOM:500]


Edit:  Correcting spelling mistake

[Deon]

*messenger, not messanger

[Deon]

Hey guess, did you know that if you make a stone's [IMPACT_FRACTURE] 5000000, it becomes unmineable? You could edit the stone_template in the  material_template_default file to that setting, then make specific exceptions in the material_stone file for soft stones like chert.

Great idea . Now Toady (probably unintentionally) made a possibility for  Kobold Camp to be much more koboldly .

[Gobbo]

Hey guess, did you know that if you make a stone's [IMPACT_FRACTURE] 5000000, it becomes unmineable? You could edit the stone_template in the  material_template_default file to that setting, then make specific exceptions in the material_stone file for soft stones like chert.

Ignoring any unforeseen consequences, this solves a lot of things. It makes it so you can dig through soil and make warrens, without being able to dig through solid stone. It makes it so you CAN make a few rare things from stone, but to do so you have to explore existing caves and caverns to find the 'soft' stone that can be so used (I'd argue, for the sake of Aztec Kobolds, that obsidian should count as something you can use). It also makes it so even if you can't harvest stone, you can still harvest gems, because Kobolds love shinies.
Encourages settling in caves, an option that wasn't really viable until this new, much-expanded cave system was added.
All things to consider.
Of course, in the end, everyone's Kobold Camp experience is merely based on a template, with changes made as they prefer them. We just need to make a majority-agreeable template, that's all.

Also, are Kobold furs brown, grey or just hairless. I could never come to a conclusion.

According to who?
The game paints them as small wrinkly brownish creatures, but I always pictured them (and thus, drew the associated Kobold Camp character set) based on them having very short, fuzzy gray fur.

[Kaelem Gaen]

And I always saw your drawings (speaking off is it alright if I put up an Icon based on the drawing at the beginning of the thread) as them have a grey-smoothish skin, though with the way everything can be modded now, we could get the appearences of the kobb's text description to follow the gobbo way of cutebolds!