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[Ryko Nailo]

Warning, do not read on if you don't wish the happy fun stuff spoiled for you.




Men, women, nobles, lend me your ears. Now that we have the latest version and have uncovered what the happy fun stuff is we will undoubtedly try to find ways to beat it. But I don't wish to simply beat it, I wish to as the humans say, freeze hell over but I am at a loss for how to do so. While humans have many things that can supposedly freeze hell over it's just silly superstious non-sense. To that degree I come to you seeking ideas and methods to accomplish Operation Freeze Hell Over.

Right now the only idea I have in progress is a fort in a glacier, my plan is to dig a massive hole 100+ floors down from the surface to the gates of hell. Then I will proceed to unleash a massive torrent of water into hell dumping massive reservoirs full of water into hell then hopefully the frigid cold from the surface can make it down to hell and freeze all the water. All attempts at this plan however have failed as all attempts to channel out all the layers from surface to sulfur have led to disaster. From unleashing armies of mushroom men to unearthing forgotten beasts instead of unearthing hell. I haven't even been able to test if the slade and partially melted rock can even hold the water as my fortress usually gets wiped out by the horrors I've unleashed. Thus I come to you in the hopes one of you might have an idea as to a more reasonable or practical or dwarven method of freezing hell over.

[Vieto]

you could try using a volcano on a glacier map, if those go down to the magma layer without disrupting the forest layer.

[KaziArmada]

No, sounds like you have the right idea..

Start diging 1 level under a big river, manage to path your way all the way down, breech the HFS, Drop a stone through the top of the river, breeching it and letting all the water rush down
?
Profit!!

Alternativly...Know those Magma Lakes everyone talks about....Couldent ya try draining one of THOSE into Hell?....

[Ryko Nailo]

I don't think there's a way to freeze magma though is there? The point isn't necessarily to just simply kill the demons but rather to do it via freezing somehow.

[LemonFrosted]

I think you'll just ahve to be really, really careful with the excavation: dig down through solid cores only. But that'll get pooched if the tube down to HFS is under a cavern...

Maybe just take it really, really slowly and fortify a giant tube down to the HFS...

[Ryko Nailo]

I suppose I will have to do that and train up a hell of an army and just defend the tube. Or possibly just flood the tube when I hit a cavern, drown them all, then when it freezes just mine out more of the tube. Or maybe magma and then just turn it all into obsidian with the water.

[Chagen46]

That fact that people actually try to do insane shit like this is why I love Dwarf Fortress.

Seriously, freezing hell over.

That's not awesome, that's just Crazy Awesome.

[InsanityPrelude]

^ what (s)he said.

In my experience with glaciers in 40d, ice melts underground, but even drowning Hell would be pretty goddamn (no pun intended, okay maybe a little) awesome.

[shadowclasper]

^ what (s)he said.

In my experience with glaciers in 40d, ice melts underground, but even drowning Hell would be pretty goddamn (no pun intended, okay maybe a little) awesome.

But it's not underground if you OPEN IT TO THE SURFACE

[Ryko Nailo]

I heard ice melts underground, but good to know for sure. And yeah I'm just hoping that by having a massive shaft to the surface it's technically not 'underground' and as such the water could also be frozen in the first place. If I fail, well I suppose I at least brought light to hell.

Perhaps I should look into attempting to rig the whole shaft to collapse down into hell and THEN flooding it after it hopefully squishes all the demons. Or would that just cause the shaft to plug itself into hell and cause me to have to mine the remains of the shaft out of the way first?

[Paul]

The first thing I did when I started the new version was start a game with some military dwarves and a miner, then get to digging. I made it down past the big caverns without difficulty, with a more or less straight shot down. At -180 (it was a rather deep tunnel... heh) I found molten rock and opened a magma chamber, giving me a view to where I needed to be digging. A quick tunnel over and a few more levels down opened up the underworld.

My first expedition all mysteriously bled to death before the creatures of the underworld even came to the surface, but the next expedition managed to last for a short time.

A SINGLE creature from below managed to wipe out my entire reclaim squad. Even after both of its wings were cut off and its body mangled it still killed the remaining dwarves one by one. Granted, they only had leather armor and a mix of iron and steel weapons, but still - those things are nasty.

Even if you have a military that can handle them, there doesn't seem to be a way to get down there. It would be interesting to be able to get down there and fight them on their own ground. Is there any way to build stairs/ropes/whatever downward yet? I tried to build stairs downward from above but the dwarves wouldn't build from above.

[Ryko Nailo]

I believe if you actually build constructed stairs down its possible create a ladder sort of effect. I think they are trying to figure out how to go fight in hell in the big happy fun stuff thread but I'm more trying to beat hell without fighting so I'm not really looking into those options.

[Spartan 117]

I have only one thing to say.

The Vomit Demon has been encased in cooling magma!

[Ryko Nailo]

Sadly the only thing encased in anything right now are all my miners but rest assured soon it will be demons! Right now I have my miners to thank for proving this theory is possible when they accidentally channeled themselves through a cavern roof and into a pond below. Some 50 z levels down in my shaft I think it's safe to say the freezing surface air can reach down so long as it is exposed to the surface. I know this because when my dwarves fell into the water during the cave in the water froze instantly around them killing them all but the rest of the pond outside of the pipe's range is still water. Of course now I have to train a bunch of new miners, and deal with the swarms of angry batmen I've now unleashed upon myself. For another day though!

[Spartan 117]

Where there's a dwarven fortress, there's a way to FREEZE HELL OVER.

Damn I love this game.