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[Awayfarer]

Just a simple suggestion regarding the massive amount of spare narrow clothing that is ruining the dwarven economy and putting good, honest craftsdwarves out of work.  

Would it be possible to just give gobboes a single clothing item? Something like a "narrow outfit" that represents all the clothing they're wearing but only uses up a single slot.

I know some players won't be happy about losing out on all those narrow socks they could be selling, but maybe the price of the outfit could be adjusted to reflect how much mulitple items would be worth?

[Ma]

Or maybe keep the diversity of clothing but allow dwarves to grab and store the whole set of clothes in one single trip ?

[Mikademus]

quote:Originally posted by Maître Smaug Capello:
<STRONG>Or maybe keep the diversity of clothing but allow dwarves to grab and store the whole set of clothes in one single trip ?</STRONG>

What?! Do you realise how heave a narrow sock is?! As if a mere dwarf would be able to carry more than one piece of clothing at a time!  :roll:

[veryinky]

I've wanted haulers to use bags and backpacks to haul multiple items for a while now.

Either way, there's no reason why goblin clothing is so valuable. Only goblins can wear them, so they should have no resale value. If there was a way to reclaim the cloth/silk used in them, to use into making new clothes, then there'd be some point.

As it is, I think that merchants shouldn't accept clothing that doesn't fit them. Nor carry items that can't be used by the person they're selling to. (No more elves bringing lots of socks that my dwarves can't wear)

It would be nice if dwarves could make clothing and armor in the sizes of different races, for export. Along with large humanoid weapons like bows, two handed swords and mauls. For exports. A human wouldn't pay a premium price for a masterpiece steel platemail suit that could not be used by anyone other than dwarves (maybe paying scrap metal price, for melting down)

[Yobgod]

"A human wouldn't pay a premium price for a masterpiece steel platemail suit that could not be used by anyone other than dwarves"

A human -merchant- would, because after he buys it off of you, he plans to stop by the Dwarf Fortress across the valley, where they haven't managed to get their steelworks going yet, yet are plagued by zombie trout.

[Mechanoid]

Just forbid the narrow clothes, or dump the clothing into a pit of lava to remove it from gameplay and keep it out of your shops.
No need to reduce the complexity of the game by making a "Goblin Suit" it'd be like making a "Dwarf Suit" which would make shopping for clothes... less fun.

[ March 03, 2008: Message edited by: Mechanoid ]

[Bricktop]

I don't agree with the OP. There isn't any real reason for it, especially since you have said that the price of the "narrow suit2 would be as high as the full set currently is now.

What I do think would make sence is if the price for non-fitting clothing was a lot lower when selling to a merchant.

[Captain Goatse]

Hauling tons of narrow silk loincloths is boring, and lags the game horribly. I wish Toady could find a workaround for that, it's a real pain in the ass. I suggest to make all gobbos naked, just with a breastplate and an helm (gobbo clothing is so worthless that the dwarves do not even pick it up and leave it to rot on the corpse).

And, can anyone explain why a soiled loincloth worn by a goblin killed in battle (so, covered in sweat, grime, lice, blood, vomit, s**t and p**s) is worth more than a masterwork stone idol???

[TheSpaceMan]

quote:Originally posted by Captain Goatse:
<STRONG>Hauling tons of narrow silk loincloths is boring, and lags the game horribly. I wish Toady could find a workaround for that, it's a real pain in the ass. I suggest to make all gobbos naked, just with a breastplate and an helm (gobbo clothing is so worthless that the dwarves do not even pick it up and leave it to rot on the corpse).

And, can anyone explain why a soiled loincloth worn by a goblin killed in battle (so, covered in sweat, grime, lice, blood, vomit, s**t and p**s) is worth more than a masterwork stone idol???</STRONG>

I hear that there are machines for buying used underwear in japan. Maybe all creatres in DF have a goblin fetich of a bissare nature.

[Crafty Barnardo]

quote:Originally posted by Captain Goatse:
<STRONG>And, can anyone explain why a soiled loincloth worn by a goblin killed in battle (so, covered in sweat, grime, lice, blood, vomit, s**t and p**s) is worth more than a masterwork stone idol???</STRONG>

First of all, I don't think it matters if it is soiled or not.  A loincloth covered in blood and vomit has the same value as a minty fresh loincloth as far as I know.  

The difference in value is due entirely to the materials.  A stone idol, no matter how well crafted, is still just a rock.  A loincloth made out of giant cave spider silk may not be useful or well made, but giant cave spider silk, presumably, is extremely nice material.  It is also rare and extremely difficult to harvest.  

Thus spake Econ 101:  quality + rarity + production cost = cha-ching!

[numerobis]

It's rare except in goblinland, apparently, where every drunk wears silk gloves.

[Draco18s]

quote:Originally posted by benoit.hudson:
<STRONG>It's rare except in goblinland, apparently, where every drunk wears silk gloves.</STRONG>

They live in caves, which have chasms, which is the only place GCS spawn.

[Inquisitor Saturn]

Hey, those traders are sly, they'll take the silk off the goblin dead and trade it right back to them.

[Xombie]

turn all that nice items into 'goblin suit'? No. What next? 'Armor suits'? All my metallurgy based on melting narrow armor pieces btw.

And there is nothing wrong with merchants buying stuff they don`t use.

Wrong is that merchants want to *sell* large or narrow armors to me.

[Othob Rithol]

An alternate temporary workaround is to edit the raws and pull out the references to wear clothing and the item types from gobbos and kobolds. Not sure, but I think you need to generate a new world to do it, but man it improves the game.