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[Dante]

So, a naked mole dog just walked through eight stone fall traps and is running around my fortress on a pair of broken legs.

More importantly, the combat report mentioned that the creature dodged some of the rocks.

And five high-quality wooden training weapons and spikes in a weapon trap failed to kill a giant toad, where they surely would have in the last version.

It looks like the combat / body raws changes has created an inherent trap nerf! On the other hand, some tweaking is obviously necessary to get rid of the occasional insta-healing, never-dying or insta-dying bugs that are in the new version, so maybe it'll go back to normal.

[blizzerd]

training weapons dont have edges, so technically they only do a very little blunt damage

[Fetus4188]

Training weapons are basically just shaped sticks.  They aren't going to be killing much of anything, let alone a giant toad.

[tigrex]

Stonefall traps are somewhat weaker than they used to be, but they're still deadly.

What amused me was that the combat logs say that the damage is caused by "spinning rocks".  I now can't even attempt to figure out what the hell a stonefall trap actually consists of.  They can't be dropping stones, because I can build them out in the open.  They can't be some kind of projectile, like a hidden catapult, because that would fire them without them spinning.

Maybe there's a blender buried in the soil which flicks out shards of granite?

[Wirevix]

I always pictured stonefall traps as a Wile E. Coyote construction of a few poles, a net, and a precariously balanced heap of boulders to be triggered by someone pulling a string.

[Lemunde]

I'll have to keep all this in mind.  I got a 2x3 array of 3x iron disc traps guarding the front of my fort.  Only time will tell if they are sufficient.  Nothing has dared attack me yet except a couple of kobolds but that was before I had everything built.

[Nexii Malthus]

No, you are doing it wrong, the traps don't go on the outside.

[Dante]

Well, like I say, they're half training weapons, and half menacing spikes. All extremely high quality due to immigrant Master Carpenters. And the key thing is, trap damage is now worked out like an 'attack', which enemies can now dodge.

[G-Flex]

This is less a "trap nerf" and more a "things actually hurting other things" nerf. I suspect it's related to some of the things I've been finding out in the arena.

[Box]

Personally, I like the idea of nerfed traps.


Look at captain duck's video tutorials regarding traps/sieges a few versions back.  Three weapon traps.  A platoon of goblins mindlessly walk into a wall of 3 weapon traps and the traps cut EVERY LAST THING down on two occasions.  Screw military, a corridor for sieges with 2x3 weapon traps will serve all your needs.


This also means traps will likely become common realities in adventuring mode sometimes soon, dodging them (if you couldn't before?) and soon dealing with a way to exit cage traps.  I would imagine elves would set all sorts of (wooden) cage traps for humanoids in their forest retreats to guard against intruders (a healthy dose of fire cures that, though).  Humans would make weapon traps, and goblin fortresses would be amazing to assault.



This with the hospital setups and the work going towards wars and battle reports will likely mean some very fantastic battles in future versions and practically even now, forcing you to send 20-30 dwarves against a goblin siege instead of letting a couple weapon traps cut everything down until they fail (nigh impossible with masterwork mechanisms).


I look forward to reading battle reports, armoring up my dwarves head to toe in steel, and arming every last one of them with war hammers and playing goblin bowling.

[Areyar]

stonefall trap

[LeoLeonardoIII]

I was about to draw that very thing and post it. That's exactly how I envision stonefall traps, except with the rock perched out a little farther over the string.

[sneakey pete]

Well, like I say, they're half training weapons, and half menacing spikes. All extremely high quality due to immigrant Master Carpenters. And the key thing is, trap damage is now worked out like an 'attack', which enemies can now dodge.

I think the problem is your assuming that the combat system is still the old version. Correct me if i'm wrong, but not only do wooden weapons suffer the whole 50% nerf thing, but now they're also not sharp aswell?

[clc02]

There is no longer, this weapon does 100% damage, this does 50% All damage is found out by edge, weight, elasticity etc.  This makes gold as good as iron for swords, copper titans invincible and adamantine warhammers terrible.

[G-Flex]

Personally, I like the idea of nerfed traps.

Me too, but I'm not sure that's the issue here, because the descriptions given apply to combat as a whole. Dragons can't even seem to touch dudes wearing bronze armor now.