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[Grumbledwarfskin]

I did a little ‼science‼ on silk vs. leather, it appears to show that silk is slightly better than leather.

In 15 unarmed ten-vs-ten human battles, there were 6 wins for those wearing leather and 9 for silk.

In 16 ten-vs-tens with silver short swords, it came out a 7-9 victory for silk.

The victory margins seemed a bit weird, though...when leather won, it tended to be by a larger margin (i.e. with more surviving humans) than when silk won. The total survivor numbers were 39-53 in the unarmed battles, which still looks like a win for silk, but less decisively, and 49-53 in the sword battles, which is still technically a win for silk, but is likely a statistical dead heat, within the margin of error.

To declare a clear victor, you'd like to be able to say "if you wear X, you're more likely to win, and you're less likely to lose dwarves", but I don't feel like I can say that.

In contrast, with a test of silk vs. plant cloth using dwarves wielding silver short swords, silk was the clear victor in number of successes and an even clearer victor in survival margin, 11-4 and 64-20.

In all of these tests the humans or dwarves are wearing (in the chosen material):
1 shirt
6 cloaks
6 hoods
1 gloves
1 mittens
2 chausses
2 trousers

I went with multiples to increase the effect of the cloth armor, so the difference would (hopefully) show up better.

[Relapse]

Build up stairs.  Designate down or up/down stairs on that spot one Z-level up.  You should have no problem doing this.

Seems like it was just a glitch, a save and reload fixed it. For a while there I wasn't able to designate an area for stairs one Z level up.

[Grumbledwarfskin]

Build up stairs.  Designate down or up/down stairs on that spot one Z-level up.  You should have no problem doing this.

Seems like it was just a glitch, a save and reload fixed it. For a while there I wasn't able to designate an area for stairs one Z level up.

I've had that happen before, too. Might be related to a moderately rare pathing bug that nobody's been able to quite nail down related to digging out/constructing stairs, and units not being able to climb up them. Biggest problem with trying to solve it being that it doesn't survive a save/reload, so you can't upload a save file that demonstrates the problem, and nobody's been able to come up with steps to reproduce it.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

do gobrins in cages need food to live? I have had some gobrin in cage for 2 years now and they won't die....

I have them in a quarantine area where I put all the cages that caught things from my cage traps... DO I have to open them and have my military kill them? I need to get them out of the cages so I can reuse them to fill the traps again

[TerryDactyl]

http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Mass_pitting

enemies in cages to not require food to live.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

Ah ok, thanks

New question:

How do I stop dorfs from sleeping in the hospital when they are not sick... They are taking up beds I need for my dorfs who need medical assistance after my fight with the goblin ambush

[Kogut]

Ah ok, thanks

New question:

How do I stop dorfs from sleeping in the hospital when they are not sick... They are taking up beds I need for my dorfs who need medical assistance after my fight with the goblin ambush

Known bug. Create rooms for everybody and/or create bigger hospital?

[Dwarfu]

How do I stop dorfs from sleeping in the hospital when they are not sick...

As Kogut stated, known issue:  Bug #647.

[greycat]

enemies in cages to not require food to live.

Enemies don't need food, full stop.  Nor do wild animals.  Only dwarves and their tamed animals need food.

[Hannibal Barcalounger]

Can you build chimneys to the surface in order to clear miasma from refuse piles? If so, does it only need to be a single tile, or does the whole floor of the stockpile need to be listed as an Outside Light Above Ground tile?

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, surface-level ground tiles
# wall
_ floor grate
. refuse stockpile squares




Would that prevent miasma on the whole stockpile, or just the one tile below the air shaft?

[Greiger]

Sadly only the one tile below the air shaft will be miasma free. (And even then miasma from other tiles will still spread into it)

There are other tricks to limit miasma though.  Miasma can't travel through diagonals (was never updated to 8 directional movement like everything else was) so it is possible to make a checkerboard pattern stockpile that will limit the miasma from an item to only the tile it occupies.  And with a little bit more space you can create hallways with diagonal paths every 2 tiles leading to 1 tile of refuse stockpile so that the only people bothered by the miasma will be ones who actually needed to use the rotting item.

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▓=Wall  .= Floor = = refuse pile
▓▓▓▓▓▓▓
▓=▓.▓=▓
▓▓...▓▓
▓=▓.▓=▓
▓▓...▓▓
▓=▓.▓=▓
▓▓...▓▓
▓▓▓.▓▓▓
Half a dozen of those will contain the miasma so nobody will be bothered by it and usually prevent accidental exposure through pathing through the tile.  Might want to widen the central halls if you have a lot of dwarves moving stuff into the things though.

[Hannibal Barcalounger]

Sadly only the one tile below the air shaft will be miasma free. (And even then miasma from other tiles will still spread into it)

There are other tricks to limit miasma though.  Miasma can't travel through diagonals (was never updated to 8 directional movement like everything else was) so it is possible to make a checkerboard pattern stockpile that will limit the miasma from an item to only the tile it occupies.  And with a little bit more space you can create hallways with diagonal paths every 2 tiles leading to 1 tile of refuse stockpile so that the only people bothered by the miasma will be ones who actually needed to use the rotting item.

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▓=Wall  .= Floor = = refuse pile
▓▓▓▓▓▓▓
▓=▓.▓=▓
▓▓...▓▓
▓=▓.▓=▓
▓▓...▓▓
▓=▓.▓=▓
▓▓...▓▓
▓▓▓.▓▓▓
Half a dozen of those will contain the miasma so nobody will be bothered by it and usually prevent accidental exposure through pathing through the tile.  Might want to widen the central halls if you have a lot of dwarves moving stuff into the things though.

Cool design. And you could probably skip the wider hallways and just make restricted-traffic designations on the miasma'd stockpile tiles keep crowds from overflowing into places they shouldn't walk.

Does the single-tile chimney fail because the game actually calculates a path to fresh air, or because there's only a single Outside Light Above Ground tile? If I just need to create more O.L.A.G. tiles for the stockpile, I wouldn't mind the extra effort of digging out all of the tiles, then roofing them over and leaving a single-space air shaft to the outside.

[Greiger]

Its the only single outside light tile one.  Game dosn't currently check to see how close it is to outside, miasma generating stuff currently just checks to see if the tile the object is occupying is light or not.  If it's dark (underground) it generates miasma regardless of any other factors.  If it's light(aboveground) it does not.

[Sphalerite]

Does the single-tile chimney fail because the game actually calculates a path to fresh air, or because there's only a single Outside Light Above Ground tile? If I just need to create more O.L.A.G. tiles for the stockpile, I wouldn't mind the extra effort of digging out all of the tiles, then roofing them over and leaving a single-space air shaft to the outside.

You don't even need the single-tile air shaft.  Once a tile has been touched by sunlight, it will always be light/aboveground, and therefore no item in that tile will make miasma.  Dig out the space over the refuse pile, then roof it over completely, and you won't get miasma.

[Hannibal Barcalounger]

Does the single-tile chimney fail because the game actually calculates a path to fresh air, or because there's only a single Outside Light Above Ground tile? If I just need to create more O.L.A.G. tiles for the stockpile, I wouldn't mind the extra effort of digging out all of the tiles, then roofing them over and leaving a single-space air shaft to the outside.

You don't even need the single-tile air shaft.  Once a tile has been touched by sunlight, it will always be light/aboveground, and therefore no item in that tile will make miasma.  Dig out the space over the refuse pile, then roof it over completely, and you won't get miasma.

Cool. Added that info to the wiki so that it isn't buried in this thread.