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[Jakkarra]

Greetings from the Lower Forum.

 May i ask that it be possible (If not already) for a later version to be able to have a medical procedure be designated as part of a "Uniform".

The next version includes Uniforms, and i was hoping for it to be possible to have dwarfs have some form of procedure done, be it a peircing, amputation of a finger or some suchlike thing.

It'd be quite a nice flavourful addition, having dwarves with a finger missing as a sign of military service or something.

It sounds a little grotesque, but it's something to be considered.

[Julius Clonkus]

I wouldn't go as far as amputating fingers and the like just for the uniformity of your soldiers. On the other hand, some people might want to have the arms and teeth of their fortress/royal guard/hammerers removed to minimize the nobles' influence.

[Jakkarra]

I don't see why.

There have been a few societies that practiced such things.

[Footkerchief]

There have been a few societies that practiced such things.

A citation might be useful here.

[Lancensis]

I wouldn't go as far as amputating fingers and the like just for the uniformity of your soldiers.

Like if one soldier in a squad loses a finger, you cut the finger off all of the other dwarves just so they match?

[Sunday]

Not precisely what the OP was talking about, but I believe there have been ritually castrated soldiers.  I though Janissaries were an example (though apparently that's incorrect as they had children).  But there are, at the very least, examples in fiction.

As for ritual mutilation, while I've never heard of cutting off fingers, I do think that scarification has a history (see, e.g., the Maori), though I'm not sure if it's connected to military service.

A modern analog would be military tattoos.

I think that if body modification ever goes in, then I could see something like this being connected to military service (getting a tattoo - or even a finger cut off - based on what squad you're in, for example).

[Capntastic]

I don't think ritualistic mutilation counts as medical.

But such rituals, based in a civ's culture, should have presence.

[NW_Kohaku]

There have been a few societies that practiced such things.

A citation might be useful here.

Well, Tattoos as a medical procedure should be fairly common without needing citation.

Things like chopping off fingers, however, I often read about happening in the Yakuza (Japanese Mafia), where, in order to pay penance for a failing/prove loyalty, they have to chop off their fingers.

I also remember watching one particularly gruesome episode of "Taboo" on Discovery Channel, where some isolated tribes who worship alligators as warrior ancestors wil ritualistically cut the flesh of a young male hundreds of times in order to force the growth of scars that resemble the skin of an alligator, so that the strength of the alligators will fill their warriors... It was not a pretty sight.

[nenjin]

I also remember watching one particularly gruesome episode of "Taboo" on Discovery Channel, where some isolated tribes who worship alligators as warrior ancestors wil ritualistically cut the flesh of a young male hundreds of times in order to force the growth of scars that resemble the skin of an alligator, so that the strength of the alligators will fill their warriors... It was not a pretty sight.

Saw that. This thread takes me back to my medical anthro class....the things I saw there....ye gads. FGM (and no I will not provide a link) is relevant to this topic, but I don't think DF ever, ever needs to go there.

[AngleWyrm]

Circumcision is a bizarre practice that is still performed in the United States, and is both a medical procedure and a sign of membership.

The mutilation of the genitals among the various savage tribes of the world presents a strange and unaccountable practice of human ideas, which one is not able to reconcile with any reasoning power. Why such customs should be in vogue none can tell at the present time; but we must suppose that at some period they had their significance, which in the course of ages has been lost, and the practice has been handed down from generation to generation.

There was also a Chinese emperor who had all his men shave their heads from the ears forward, and make the back into a long braid. It was an unwanted sign of obedience to the emperor, and those without suffered for it. Cutting hair is considered to be so simple a procedure that it does not fall into medical category, but there are some cultures that wear beards and hair from birth -- I wonder what they think of those that cut their hair?

[PsyberianHusky]

When prosthetic limbs are added I would like to be able to make squads of dwarves with adamantium left arms

[Flaede]

When prosthetic limbs are added I would like to be able to make squads of dwarves with adamantium left arms

planning on modding in a second god-metal?

I also remember watching one particularly gruesome episode of "Taboo" on Discovery Channel, where some isolated tribes who worship alligators as warrior ancestors wil ritualistically cut the flesh of a young male hundreds of times in order to force the growth of scars that resemble the skin of an alligator, so that the strength of the alligators will fill their warriors... It was not a pretty sight.

Saw that. This thread takes me back to my medical anthro class....the things I saw there....ye gads. FGM (and no I will not provide a link) is relevant to this topic, but I don't think DF ever, ever needs to go there.

Me too, nenjin. And yeah, if DF ever went there, I would seriously stop playing.

[Pilsu]

While tattoos and hairstyles are acceptable, ritual mutilation needs to stay out of the game. No one sane would do it and the ones that do wold cut off the hands of the fortress guard just to exploit it. You can't seriously expect the guard to accept having their bits chopped off when rest of your culture doesn't do any of it. Let's not abuse the unquestioning loyalty of our mock-up dwarves.

[Neonivek]

While tattoos and hairstyles are acceptable, ritual mutilation needs to stay out of the game. No one sane would do it and the ones that do wold cut off the hands of the fortress guard just to exploit it. You can't seriously expect the guard to accept having their bits chopped off when rest of your culture doesn't do any of it. Let's not abuse the unquestioning loyalty of our mock-up dwarves.

Actually even in modern societies ritual mutilation survives. For example Branding.

Tatoos are often part of mutilation especially when you see how some older societies actually tatooed (A Razor blade was involved)

[Caesar]

In my civilization it'd be common practice to decapitate the Hammerer, as a sign of his noble status.