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[Ceeker]

Thought i'd share this as I found it interesting. During world gen when I picked this civilization I noticed that they had the symbol for an elven retreat as well as a mountain home in their territory - I thought the dwarf civ must have taken over an elf town in world gen.

Well, when the outpost liason arrived I was surprised to note that he was an elf. So I opened up the civilisation panel, and lo and behold, the "dwarven" civ is ruled by elves, and some of them seem to have adopted dwarven names. Best of all, they don't care what I trade with them, and they're at war with a nearby elf civilization. Guess not all elves are tree loving hippies and the ones that aren't run off to join the dwarves and become superelvenly tough.

Check it out:

[NW_Kohaku]

Your civ did conquer some elf towns.  The elves who surrendered (wisely) chose to become a part of your civ, and probably, thanks to casualties during the war with the elves and the fact that dwarves die of old age, the elves became the most experienced characters in your civs.

Elves who join dwarven civs will wear steel equipment.  They retain their speed advantage, and are also immortal, meaning that they can have hundreds of years to gain experience slaughtering literally hundreds of elves, pushing them to legendary in several different skills, easily.

This sort of thing is also fairly common - elves are the zerg rush normally, but their speed bonus and immortality are deadly, making elves under any civ besides an elf civ fairly badass if they simply survive a few rounds of combat to get some skills up.  And an elf champion of the dwarves is virtually unstoppable in worldgen - I was looking through my own Legends, and found a 13-year-old elf from a goblin civ single-handedly turn back a 68-elf seige.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I have a (sadly, only legendary in farming) elf queen, myself, but look up the "Dwarven King is an..." thread for the Legend of Cacame Aweminedade, The World's Most Badass Elf.

As for the names, if they are born in the dwarven civ, they have dwarven names.  My elf queen is named Asmel Tunmat - "Merchant DoorBent" in Dwarven.

[ungulateman]

...Woah.

That kid (alright, he's an adult, but only 12, come on) is ridiculous.

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[Max White]

I wonder if there is a real life application by taking hippies and drafting them into the military.

[NW_Kohaku]

I wonder if there is a real life application by taking hippies and drafting them into the military.

The Men Who Stare At Goats... a very funny and informative book... and now a major motion picture!

Sadly, real-life attempts to make people into "Jedi Warriors" have thus far proved fruitless.

[NW_Kohaku]

...Woah.

That kid (alright, he's an adult, but only 12, come on) is ridiculous.

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... by the by, Ceca is quite fittingly titled "The Lonely Twilight of Morasses"

Her life story is thus:  She was kidnapped at age seven by one of the last actual goblins in the goblin tower of the Square Midnight.  There were two elf civs and one human civ in seiging range of this one fort, and one of those elf civs had 23 retreats to produce virtually limitless cannon fodder.  The goblin's only hope was kidnapping new recruits to try to keep up with the relentless tides of elven aggression.

By the time she hit age 12, there were only three elves (including her), one human, and one goblin left alive when humans attacked... killing all but Ceca, which is where she got her title.

Hence, as of reaching age 12, she became mayor of Tormentpets and leader of the Square Midnight.

She then survived two other seiges (including the one I just showed you) in the same year against both other elf civs, fighting alone.

Her legend was cut short, however, as the very next year, she died by the arrows of an elite human marksman.

Ceca Coastalboarded, The Lonely Twilight of Morasses.  b55 d68.

Age 13 - 35 kills.

Oddly, that tower actually survived, as nobody seems to have ever bothered actually conquering it.  There were apparently enough fellow kidnapped elves to keep it alive, and the elf empires turned on the humans, giving the tower, now composed almost entirely of the children of kidnapping victims (total Lord of the Flies civ) of humans and elves a chance to recover.

I'm not even kidding, if you embark on that place, there's maybe a half-dozen goblins, and there's 40 elves, and 15 humans, including a high priest, and several elite soldiers and such.

This place has actually made me empathize with the goblins...  They're not a relentless scourge of devil-led marauders, they're just trouble youths that are scrambling to survive the merciless onslaught of an elven culture that places no value whatsoever on sentient life, aside as a food source.

[Satarus]

Elves with dwarf names are ones who were born within the Dwarf civ.  Within the dwarf civ, they will act according to the dwarf civ's ethics.  Read up on Cacame, the Immortal Onslaught for a famous example of this kind of stuff.

[Ceeker]

Elves with dwarf names are ones who were born within the Dwarf civ.  Within the dwarf civ, they will act according to the dwarf civ's ethics.  Read up on Cacame, the Immortal Onslaught for a famous example of this kind of stuff.

That's awesome. I've been playing DF for a couple of years now but i've never really gotten involved with the forums so i've obviously missed out on a lot of cool stuff.

[NW_Kohaku]

Elves with dwarf names are ones who were born within the Dwarf civ.  Within the dwarf civ, they will act according to the dwarf civ's ethics.  Read up on Cacame, the Immortal Onslaught for a famous example of this kind of stuff.

Cacame is an elven name, though...

[Holy Mittens]

Yeah, Cacame was born in an elf civ. He joined the dwarves when he was like 6 if I remember correctly.

[JujuBubu]

Hi, I got a stupid question.

When does the liason finaly arrive ?

I got regular caravans from all civs but no liason from the humans and dwarves ?

[Max White]

Hi, I got a stupid question.

When does the liason finaly arrive ?

I got regular caravans from all civs but no liason from the humans and dwarves ?

Well, two possibility. Either they are already there and following your leader around, but he is too busy to conduct a meeting with them (This can easily be fixed to taking off all hes labors until there done talking) or THEY ARE DEAD AND THERE BLOOD IS ON YOUR HANDS AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT!!!!

[TigerPlushie]

Hi, I got a stupid question.

When does the liason finaly arrive ?

I got regular caravans from all civs but no liason from the humans and dwarves ?

Well, two possibility. Either they are already there and following your leader around, but he is too busy to conduct a meeting with them (This can easily be fixed to taking off all hes labors until there done talking) or THEY ARE DEAD AND THERE BLOOD IS ON YOUR HANDS AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT!!!!

In fact I remember reading, that deceased liaisons are supposed to be replaced in the new version.

[JujuBubu]

No to both
They never showed up.
The caravan came, but no liason,
nobody is harassing my expedition leader,
There was nothing which could have killed the liason
and the caravans don't bring wagons, not the dwarves and not the humans.

And by the way my woodcutter uses a wooden training axe

[derekiv]

Wait, what?
That's epic!