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Are shops really this stupid?
« on: March 23, 2010, 07:37:08 pm »

I know the dwarven economy in general tends to be kind of broken, but I have a go at it every now and then anyway.  I built several shops, which started out owned by my bookkeeper (mayor), who promptly bankrupted himself by stocking one of them with an exceptional cave spider silk coat.  He's now complaining about being evicted.

Am I doing this wrong?
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Re: Are shops really this stupid?
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2010, 07:40:24 pm »

You are, turn economy off :P
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Re: Are shops really this stupid?
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2010, 07:47:24 pm »

Yes, you need to make more shops, so that you can have a shop that sells "exotic clothes", which is to say, clothes that none of your dwarves wants to wear or buy. (narrow or large clothing)

Then, one of your dwarves will see the shop that sells something that nobody will buy and go "Damn, I gotta get me that shop!", and spend all their money to buy the shop away from your hoardmaster/bookkeeper, giving them money all over again!
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Re: Are shops really this stupid?
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2010, 08:13:26 pm »


Then, one of your dwarves will see the shop that sells something that nobody will buy and go "Damn, I gotta get me that shop!",
See, this is (one reason) why Dwarves are so mind-numbingly stupid. Even the least knowledgeable person about economics in all of reality would know that buying such a shop would be a complete waste of money(unless they could somehow market it so that its products would be sellable, but that's a very high risk for probably very little gain.)
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Re: Are shops really this stupid?
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2010, 08:17:27 pm »

Dwarven economics are still in the experimental stages. The humans have told them that they need to throw a lot of money around to get things going, but every time the dwarves try all they just end up with a bunch of coins lying all over the place.

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Re: Are shops really this stupid?
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2010, 08:25:52 pm »

Seems to me this thread is mislabeled. Its not that the shop is stupid, its the mayor for stocking such goods!
Huzzah! The economy works after all!
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Re: Are shops really this stupid?
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2010, 08:26:57 pm »

I think shops are just like having a goblin bone ring - dwarves don't need it, but it sure looks cool to own a shop that sells cave spider silk loincloths, especially when there are only about 5 shops in the entire fort.  Makes you the big dwarf on campus.

I mean, what else are they going to spend a 5-digit bank account on?  If they can already pay the rent and afford to eat, they're either going for buying mini-hammers, and then dropping them on the floor right next to the chest I had made and installed JUST to keep their floors clean, or they're going to buy a pet cow that then chews up some FPS for pathing, or they're going to buy a shop.
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Re: Are shops really this stupid?
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2010, 08:41:43 pm »

In truth, I pretty much agree with Kohaku on this. The economy may be sort of weird, but its also just kind of fun. I like having huge market centers where dwarves can occasionally buy the useless trinkets that otherwise just sit around in bins. It feels more...immersive, I guess.
Besides, nothing is cooler than seeing your elites owning huge swathes of commercial areas. It makes them seem so much richer--and by extension, cooler. ;)
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Re: Are shops really this stupid?
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2010, 09:17:49 pm »

When I made my second set of housing projects, I actually made an open plaza with glass doors and a stairwell going through a "mall" in the floors below the five stairwells leading up into the housing clusters.

On top of that is the grand hall, which is still incomplete, but will have four waterfalls, a twenty-tile long set of tables, be walled with statues, have a zoo with every type of creature I can get my mitts on, and feature a chained-up titan behind a moat, "King Kong" style.

My queen's room will be to the side of this, with clear glass windows so she can view the great hall from her throne room.

... OH! Err... what I mean is, yeah, I like making malls out of store clusters, because I think it's kind of neat to try to up my dwarves' quality of life.
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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2010, 09:39:35 pm »

My queen's room will be to the side of this, with clear glass windows so she can view the great hall from her throne room.

And so the entire fortress can see her getting it on with her consort.
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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2010, 10:23:58 pm »

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Re: Are shops really this stupid?
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2010, 10:34:23 pm »

My queen's room will be to the side of this, with clear glass windows so she can view the great hall from her throne room.

And so the entire fortress can see her getting it on with her consort.

Thank ARMOK for spores, that could've ended badly.

You know, I heard a rumor there are no Dwarven women, and that Dwarves just sort of spring out of the ground.
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Re: Are shops really this stupid?
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2010, 10:41:22 pm »

My queen's room will be to the side of this, with clear glass windows so she can view the great hall from her throne room.

And so the entire fortress can see her getting it on with her consort.

... While I don't doubt that some regents enjoy their "royal privlidges" on their throne, what with it's commanding majesty and all, but I would assume that bedrooms are more traditional places to hold such activities if a royal wished for privacy. 

The bedrooms, incidentally, do not have windows.
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Re: Are shops really this stupid?
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2010, 11:15:17 pm »


... While I don't doubt that some regents enjoy their "royal privlidges" on their throne, what with it's commanding majesty and all, but I would assume that bedrooms are more traditional places to hold such activities if a royal wished for privacy. 

The bedrooms, incidentally, do not have windows.
Stop spoiling my fun. :(
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Re: Are shops really this stupid?
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2010, 12:03:16 am »

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You know, I heard a rumor there are no Dwarven women, and that Dwarves just sort of spring out of the ground.
I don't know about anyone else, but I always thought "just sort of spring out of holes in the ground" was the best euphemism for childbirth ever ;D.
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