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[Zangi]

There's a party for that, called the Libertarian party.

The two have quite different motives. If you fail to see that then really no discussion will help you.

EDIT: and the fact that you just said "socialists" now makes me disregard everything you say. The CBO socialist? hahahahaha

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0912/that-word-inigo-montoya-word-think-means-princess-bride-mand-demotivational-poster-1260739585.jpg

Whatever they're called, Democrats, Socialists, Commies, Uneducated SOBs, by every indication they are going to get their asses kicked this November.   Payback is a Bitch.

Thems fighting words. 
Don't worry yourself, Conservatives, Republicans, Tea Party Folk can be branded as Undeducated SOBs too.  We all win.  That is the important part, we are all so much better for debate like this.

[KaelGotDwarves]

Whatever they're called, Democrats, Socialists, Commies, Uneducated SOBs, by every indication they are going to get their asses kicked this November.   Payback is a Bitch.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/03/democrats-now-project-to-hold-average.html

If you wanted to educate yourself, Democrats will still hold congress unless there is an unexpected shitstorm.

Considering he called the presidential election down pretty much perfectly to a state, I'm willing to take a bet

[Eagleon]

That's getting away from the core issue.  The Tea Party just wants the government to claim responsibility for the budgets they vote on.  As  it is now, they just print more money instead of finding a way to pay for things by cutting spending on other things (like military or failing projects.)  It's basically a blank check right now and none of the representatives care where the money is coming from because they just lean over and ask the Reserve for more cash.

Right on Andir.

I really don't get how the Socialists believe that this bill is going be deficit neutral or reduce the deficit.  I mean look at Medicare and Medicaid and SS, all billions of dollars in the hole.  But, yeah, the government has to be right this time!  Now that's the definition of stupidity and lunacy.

Hey did anyone see what Rep John Dingell said yesterday on the radio?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK62MQ_OIEI&feature=player_embedded

Wow, I wonder why the "Control the People" line didn't come out before the vote.  Their true colors are showing now.

*popcorn*

The rest of the world is watching. If America doesn't stop, by majority, being reactionary, self-absorbed, short-sighted, and yes, conservative (without taking the steps to ensure their conservatism isn't destroying their own lives and future, mind you - I have no problems with educated conservatism) borrowing addicts, other countries will pretty much stop borrowing to us. And then everywhere will be Detroit, pretty much.

Judging by how people are reacting to this bill by shitting their pants without even reading it, it's not going to happen. Planning my emigration as we speak.

[Ampersand]

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/fbi_investigating_cut_gas_line_at_home_of_dem_reps.php?ref=mp

[Maggarg - Eater of chicke]

I still don't see how healthcare is such a big deal. If a a bunch of bickering ancient ex-imperial, ex communist countries can manage it, surely America can.

[Andir]

There seems to be a few people here that are confusing fiscal conservatism and political conservatism again...

And here we go again posting news stories who report on the fringe, extremist, parts of the movement.  I suppose I can label you all as extremist liberals?  Because that's what you are doing here.

[Andir]

I still don't see how healthcare is such a big deal. If a a bunch of bickering ancient ex-imperial, ex communist countries can manage it, surely America can.

Health Care reform really isn't a big deal, but the way it's being done isn't right.

[dreiche2]

Andir, could you please provide evidence that the "non-fringe" part of the tea-party movement is different?

[Ampersand]

I am an extreme liberal. So shoot me. I don't care anymore.

[Andir]

Andir, could you please provide evidence that the "non-fringe" part of the tea-party movement is different?

For one, I'm not an active part of it, but I would never post addresses and ask people to deface the property or possibly cause physical harm to come to people...

But I do believe we need to get control of the Reserve and IRS.  We need to treat the government deficit and the reserve like a normal person would treat their checkbooks as opposed to their credit cards.  We need to reduce the debt and only fund projects with money we have as opposed to printing it freely.  Has it been corrupted by people to mean other things?  Yes, sure, I'll agree with that... but there's a good part of us that just want to reign in control of the spending and the value of the U.S. Dollar.

(edit:  I'd like to think I'm evidence of the non-fringe...)

[kuro_suna]

But I do believe we need to get control of the Reserve and IRS.  We need to treat the government deficit and the reserve like a normal person would treat their checkbooks as opposed to their credit cards.  We need to reduce the debt and only fund projects with money we have as opposed to printing it freely.  Has it been corrupted by people to mean other things?  Yes, sure, I'll agree with that... but there's a good part of us that just want to reign in control of the spending and the value of the U.S. Dollar.

Then vote libertarian,
In regards to government spending and power the right wing seriously need to put up or shut up.

[dreiche2]

Andir:

No no, now you're saying how you are different.

My impression as a non-American of the tea party movement pretty much lines up with what others have said in this thread, while your claim is that it's all just liberal propaganda.

I have to say though that I'm biased myself because in America, I would be a liberal (as most Europeans would be, probably, but even in Europe I'm at least moderate left).

[KaelGotDwarves]

There seems to be a few people here that are confusing fiscal conservatism and political conservatism again...

And here we go again posting news stories who report on the fringe, extremist, parts of the movement.  I suppose I can label you all as extremist liberals?  Because that's what you are doing here.

Let me post this again just so you are clear.

THIS IS Dale Robertson, FOUNDER of the current Tea Party movement and who started teaparty.org


How is this "fringe, extremist, part of the movement" when it's the guy that started it? What does it say about the people that follow him who condone this?

EDIT: it is one thing to be ignorant about all of this. Now when people know about and are still willingly part of the movement, that's when I reserve the right to call them xenophobic, racist, or crazy.

[Andir]

I'm actually more Libertarian, but I understand that some government intervention is required from time to time.

Being outside, all you see is the extreme edge... that which makes newsworthy content... keeps people watching.  It's unfortunate really.  I don't think it's liberal propaganda alone... it's active administration propaganda.  If a Republican were President and Republicans had a majority, you'd say I was blaming Conservative propaganda.

[lumin]

But I do believe we need to get control of the Reserve and IRS.  We need to treat the government deficit and the reserve like a normal person would treat their checkbooks as opposed to their credit cards.  We need to reduce the debt and only fund projects with money we have as opposed to printing it freely.  Has it been corrupted by people to mean other things?  Yes, sure, I'll agree with that... but there's a good part of us that just want to reign in control of the spending and the value of the U.S. Dollar.

Then vote libertarian,
In regards to government spending and power the right wing seriously need to put up or shut up.

Why should we vote libertarian?  Why can't we elect Republicans that believe in fiscal responsibility?

And all liberals need to shut up, period.  Like I said, they are completely uneducated.  My guess is that most of them are young and naive, still live with their parents, are not married and have no real world experience.  Kind of reminds me of Obama: he never held a real job and is young and very naive.

I'd like to test my theory, how many who support the health care bill on this forum are still "dependents" of their parents?