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[Andir]

Yeah, that's why Fox News has flagrantly misrepresented attendance at those events on more than one occasion, eh?

I've seen a lot of footage from the Tea Party movements and I must say that I'm not exactly impressed. Far too many "Obama is a socialist Muslim WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE" type conspiracy theorist wingnuts for my tastes.

Those aren't tea party participants... those are conservatives.  You've apparently started believing the liberal news media as well.  And you expected Fox news to report accurate numbers and not bias them against the liberals?

[RedKing]

Tarred by association sucks, don't it?
Kinda like when we marched on Washington to protest the Iraq war, and all the "liberal news media" focused on the fringe groups who got glommed into the movement, demanding everything from a free Palestine to legalized weed.

And I'm sorry--I know too many Tea Party types for that dichotomy to resonate much with me. Unless you're trying to point out that the "conservatives" are to the left of the Tea Party. Because that's certainly been the charge FROM the Tea Party. Why else have they been actively running against Republicans in primary races on the grounds that the GOP candidates aren't conservative enough?

If Tea Party != Conservative, then it's only because Tea Party = Reactionary.

[Maggarg - Eater of chicke]

I always get confused when Americans talk about liberals.
I'm never sure if it's because the right believe that even moderates are dangerous pinko commies, or if it's because you call pinko commies liberal.

[RedKing]

The former. Nixon wouldn't even get through a GOP primary these days. Way too pinko (Clean Water Act??? Commifascism!! How dare the government prevent the invisible hand of the market from washing itself in our drinking water?!)

To add to the confusion, in most Commonwealth countries, the Liberal Party are the slightly conservative market-friendly pro-business types. Who are still further to the Left than many Democrats in the US.

[Andir]

And I'm sorry--I know too many Tea Party types for that dichotomy to resonate much with me. Unless you're trying to point out that the "conservatives" are to the left of the Tea Party. Because that's certainly been the charge FROM the Tea Party. Why else have they been actively running against Republicans in primary races on the grounds that the GOP candidates aren't conservative enough?

If Tea Party != Conservative, then it's only because Tea Party = Reactionary.

The Tea Party is reactionary... it's not Anti-Obama, it's not Anti-Democrat, it's not Anti-Liberal, it's not Anti-Conservative... it's about fiscal conservatism, not political conservatism.  Some of those transparency in government movements that Obama himself pushed are directly related to the Tea Party movement trying to get transparency and responsibility in our government's spending.

Democrat, liberal, conservative, sunflower seed, piece of dry bread... whatever you are, whoever you are... if you believe that the Federal Reserve and IRS are abusing our money and the Dollar... then you are most likely in agreement with Tea Party rallies.

When you call them tea baggers, you are most likely calling yourself a tea bagger unless you think the government should just continue to print money like it's going out of style and fund the programs that they are while sinking our Dollar to a point where it's going to be worth less than squat on the global market.

If you think the Tea Party is anything but that, you're living in ignorance or believing too much of the news.

[Bauglir]

And I'm sorry--I know too many Tea Party types for that dichotomy to resonate much with me. Unless you're trying to point out that the "conservatives" are to the left of the Tea Party. Because that's certainly been the charge FROM the Tea Party. Why else have they been actively running against Republicans in primary races on the grounds that the GOP candidates aren't conservative enough?

If Tea Party != Conservative, then it's only because Tea Party = Reactionary.

The Tea Party is reactionary... it's not Anti-Obama, it's not Anti-Democrat, it's not Anti-Liberal, it's not Anti-Conservative... it's about fiscal conservatism, not political conservatism.  Some of those transparency in government movements that Obama himself pushed are directly related to the Tea Party movement trying to get transparency and responsibility in our government's spending.

Democrat, liberal, conservative, sunflower seed, piece of dry bread... whatever you are, whoever you are... if you believe that the Federal Reserve and IRS are abusing our money and the Dollar... then you are most likely in agreement with Tea Party rallies.

When you call them tea baggers, you are most likely calling yourself a tea bagger unless you think the government should just continue to print money like it's going out of style and fund the programs that they are while sinking our Dollar to a point where it's going to be worth less than squat on the global market.

If you think the Tea Party is anything but that, you're living in ignorance or believing too much of the news.

Quite frankly, I think they're doing a better job than corporations founded to serve the same purposes as those programs would do. It's not perfect, but hell, at least they aren't burdened with a direct and obvious motive to screw the taxpayers over.

[Andir]

And I'm sorry--I know too many Tea Party types for that dichotomy to resonate much with me. Unless you're trying to point out that the "conservatives" are to the left of the Tea Party. Because that's certainly been the charge FROM the Tea Party. Why else have they been actively running against Republicans in primary races on the grounds that the GOP candidates aren't conservative enough?

If Tea Party != Conservative, then it's only because Tea Party = Reactionary.

The Tea Party is reactionary... it's not Anti-Obama, it's not Anti-Democrat, it's not Anti-Liberal, it's not Anti-Conservative... it's about fiscal conservatism, not political conservatism.  Some of those transparency in government movements that Obama himself pushed are directly related to the Tea Party movement trying to get transparency and responsibility in our government's spending.

Democrat, liberal, conservative, sunflower seed, piece of dry bread... whatever you are, whoever you are... if you believe that the Federal Reserve and IRS are abusing our money and the Dollar... then you are most likely in agreement with Tea Party rallies.

When you call them tea baggers, you are most likely calling yourself a tea bagger unless you think the government should just continue to print money like it's going out of style and fund the programs that they are while sinking our Dollar to a point where it's going to be worth less than squat on the global market.

If you think the Tea Party is anything but that, you're living in ignorance or believing too much of the news.

Quite frankly, I think they're doing a better job than corporations founded to serve the same purposes as those programs would do. It's not perfect, but hell, at least they aren't burdened with a direct and obvious motive to screw the taxpayers over.

That's getting away from the core issue.  The Tea Party just wants the government to claim responsibility for the budgets they vote on.  As  it is now, they just print more money instead of finding a way to pay for things by cutting spending on other things (like military or failing projects.)  It's basically a blank check right now and none of the representatives care where the money is coming from because they just lean over and ask the Reserve for more cash.

[Jude]

Do you realize that the health care bill is projected to reduce the deficit in the long run?

Because the teabaggers certainly don't.

[KaelGotDwarves]

The Tea Party just wants the government to claim responsibility for the budgets they vote on.  As  it is now, they just print more money instead of finding a way to pay for things by cutting spending on other things (like military or failing projects.)  It's basically a blank check right now and none of the representatives care where the money is coming from because they just lean over and ask the Reserve for more cash.

So the Tea Party should want us to get out of Iraq or reduce the military budget, but that's really not the case from reports I see. & the CBO report already reported costs will go down through the health care bill.

I think the problem is that tea party protesters don't listen to reason.

They pick and choose their subjective realities to fulfill their narrow-minded paradigm.

Like the whole birther issue. EVEN if Obama was born in Kenya, those idiots don't understand the concept of naturalized citizenship birth being okay for the presidency.

I consider myself a "libertarian" but watching fox news which fuels and gave voice to the "Tea Party", you see it's full off hypocritical blowhards like glenn beck.

[lumin]

That's getting away from the core issue.  The Tea Party just wants the government to claim responsibility for the budgets they vote on.  As  it is now, they just print more money instead of finding a way to pay for things by cutting spending on other things (like military or failing projects.)  It's basically a blank check right now and none of the representatives care where the money is coming from because they just lean over and ask the Reserve for more cash.

Right on Andir.

I really don't get how the Socialists believe that this bill is going be deficit neutral or reduce the deficit.  I mean look at Medicare and Medicaid and SS, all billions of dollars in the hole.  But, yeah, the government has to be right this time!  Now that's the definition of stupidity and lunacy.

Hey did anyone see what Rep John Dingell said yesterday on the radio?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK62MQ_OIEI&feature=player_embedded

Wow, I wonder why the "Control the People" line didn't come out before the vote.  Their true colors are showing now.

[KaelGotDwarves]

There's a party for that, called the Libertarian party.

The two have quite different motives. If you fail to see that then really no discussion will help you.

EDIT: and the fact that you just said "socialists" now makes me disregard everything you say. The CBO socialist? hahahahaha



Also, look - It's the founder of the "Tea Party". This is why we shouldn't give voice to these people.

[lumin]

There's a party for that, called the Libertarian party.

The two have quite different motives. If you fail to see that then really no discussion will help you.

EDIT: and the fact that you just said "socialists" now makes me disregard everything you say. The CBO socialist? hahahahaha

Whatever they're called, Democrats, Socialists, Commies, Uneducated SOBs, by every indication they are going to get their asses kicked this November.   Payback is a Bitch.

[KaelGotDwarves]

If that's how you feel. Republicans will pick up a few seats with how things are going, because we have this shitty two party system. I follow Nate Silver's 538.

The Tea Party is mostly a small minority of pissed off equivalents of the modern day Know-Nothing Party with added McCarthyism. The majority of Americans see them as crazy, because they are.

[kuro_suna]

A right wing friend of mine called the tea party "right wing hippies"

[Maggarg - Eater of chicke]

I'm naturally dubious of anything called a Tea Party in America.
If they are crazed enough to throw away tea, there is no knowing what they will do next.