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[Enatai]

I've been having this problem for a while now and it's ridiculous.  Included below is my debug race, Masters.  Now these little fellas are about the downright most broken race I've ever made, and I guess they're broken enough that they broke the game.  They won't wake up once they go to sleep.  They just won't.  I don't understand it, I've even tried sticking them in a totally clean copy of Dwarf Fortress, I made sure everything was right, they were the proper starting entity, they had proper cities and everything (because of how they work, I have to nerf the crap out of their starting totals or else I start up a world and they just go nuts, killing anything that stands in their way and easily taking over pretty much everything), but when they go to sleep in fortress mode, they sleep forever.

Tell me, what am I doing wrong?

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[CREATURE:MASTER]
[NAME:master:masters:mastered]
[TILE:'M'][COLOR:7:0:1]
[GENPOWER:3]
[INTELLIGENT]
[TRANCES]
[BENIGN]
[GOOD]
[CANOPENDOORS]
[PREFSTRING:debugging ability]
[BODY:HUMANOID:2EYES:2EARS:2LUNGS:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:HUMANOID_JOINTS:THROAT:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:5FINGERS:5TOES:NOSE:MOUTH]
[STOUT]
[MAXAGE:1250:2500]
[ATTACK:MAIN:BYTYPE:GRASP:punch:punches:25:50:BLUDGEON][ATTACKFLAG_WITH]
[ATTACK:SECOND:BYTYPE:MOUTH:bite:bites:25:50:GORE]
[ATTACKFLAG_CANLATCH]
[CHILD:12][BABY:3][MULTIPLE_LITTER_RARE]
[DAMBLOCK:50]
[FAT:4]
[SIZE:9]
[SPEED:0]
[EQUIPS]
[DIURNAL]
[CRAFTSMAN_NAME:craftsmaster:craftsmasters]
[FISHERMAN_NAME:fishermaster:fishermasters]
[HAMMERMAN_NAME:hammermaster:hammermasters]
[SPEARMAN_NAME:spearmaster:spearmasters]
[CROSSBOWMAN_NAME:marksmaster:marksmasters]
[AXEMAN_NAME:axemaster:axemasters]
[SWORDSMAN_NAME:swordsmaster:swordsmasters]
[MACEMAN_NAME:macemaster:macemasters]
[PIKEMAN_NAME:pikemaster:pikemasters]
[BOWMAN_NAME:bowmaster:bowmasters]
[SPEECH:human.txt]
[STANDARD_FLESH]
[HOMEOTHERM:10067]
[LAYERING:50]
[SWIMS_INNATE][SWIM_SPEED:1000]
[NO_EAT]
[NOBLEED]
[NO_DRINK]
[NOFEAR]
[NOEXERT]
[NOPAIN]
[NONAUSEA]
[NOSTUN]
[NOSMELLYROT]
[NOBREATHE]
[GRASSTRAMPLE:0]

[Kagus]

The second attack has a flag that's out of place, but I can't imagine why that would cause it (of course, I could never have predicted that duplicating a creature entry would result in boiling silk that freezes people to death.  Go figure).

Which version are you running?

[Huggz]

I would suggest removing:

[NO_EAT]   
[NOBLEED]   
[NO_DRINK]   
[NOFEAR]   
[NOEXERT]   
[NOPAIN]   
[NONAUSEA]   
[NOSTUN]   
[NOSMELLYROT]   
[NOBREATHE]

One by one and seeing if that helps...

[Kagus]

None of those have anything to do with sleeping.  Not even [NOEXERT], as drowsiness and exhaustion are handled separately.  It's not a bad tactic for figuring things out though, and if things can't be solved in short order, that may be the way to go.

I'm curious about what SPEED:0 would do, (even though it's actually speed 1, so it's not like time stops), but I'll leave that for now.  The only thing that comes to mind is that you somehow grabbed an older version by mistake (or you just haven't updated in a long while).  There was a version a while back where fort-mode creatures would sleep eternally because they couldn't cancel the sleep "job" because they were unconscious (doi).

If you've got 40d or higher, I don't really know what's causing this.  How long have they been sleeping?

[Rafal99]

Actually SPEED:0 is only 10 times faster than the default which is SPEED:900, there is 100 added to speed somewhere in the final formula.

Btw what version DF are you using?
There was a bug in one of the previous versions with dwarves never waking up after they went sleep.

[kilakan]

any time i use Speed:0 in fortress mode, it breaks the creatures, they tend to sleep, eat, and drink for insanely long times, stop in place outside and not move, ect.  Change it to speed:10 then it should work fine.

[Jay]

There was a version a while back

It was 40a, was it not?
That's only 4 releases ago...

[kilakan]

so 3 years ago???

[Enatai]

any time i use Speed:0 in fortress mode, it breaks the creatures, they tend to sleep, eat, and drink for insanely long times, stop in place outside and not move, ect.  Change it to speed:10 then it should work fine.

This seems to be the likely culprit, mostly because they all do exactly those things, they were awake for the longest time and somehow I started to think that they might never sleep at all, but this makes sense now, I'll set it back to 1.  Now I just feel silly.  Thanks much!

[Lofn]

I've never had issues with SPEED:0, personally.  Sometimes I see sleep issues like this with modded races, though, mostly when messing with minimalist body structures and the [NO_*] tags.  I have yet to isolate what causes it.

[Moontayle]

Most notable thing about SPEED:0 I had was my embarking fisherdwarf tapped out a 6x6 swamp and brook in one season. So many dead and rotting turtles...

[Diakron]

give it a [nervous] system or the tag that removes the need for it that should solve it

[Enatai]

Here's my question: I'm trying out at this moment the idea of cutting out the [NO_] tags one by one.  What I'm doing is I'm saving them in the creature_standard file and then opening up my copy of Dwarf Fortress which has the broken sleep thing in it.

I know for a fact that something about the old creature_standard file made my mod race not wake up, because I tried several copies of the game and it wasn't that they were bugged out in any extreme ways or anything, they just never woke up.

My question now is: Will this work to wake them up or do I have to start a new game entirely and test the sleeping on that new one?

What makes me question the results of this, though, is kilaken's point about creatures with [SPEED:0] sleeping for utterly long stretches of time, so maybe they would wake up eventually, but is the time they need to sleep set when they go to sleep, or can it be changed?

I very desperately want these buggers to get their behinds up and get back to work.  Ugh.

[Enatai]

Okay, I got them to wake up.  I have no idea which tag's removal or modification did the trick, but they now have a nervous system and are speed:1.  My plan is to change them back and forth between the broken creature file and the fixed creature file depending on their waking/sleeping status, buuut more likely I'm just going to keep them speed:1 for now.  I added back all of the [no_] tags and I'll remove them if I must.

Thanks for all your help, guys!  This crippled my Dwarf Fortress playing for literally months, dumb but true.

[TOMzors]

[NOSTUN] doesn't seem to work with player races...

they go to sleep and never wake up...