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[Random_Dragon]

What, no silver mace? ;_;

And...yeesh. More of these gobbles to gobble. And now jumped by a giant dingo recruit.

Oh wait. Yesss. Finally, a target I can use for crafting!

[Comito]

I love it when dances are huge like this.

[Random_Dragon]

I am a dunce. I re-discovered that I can suss out a solder's allegiance by asking their profession. Also, finally reached a peaceful hamlet where the local lady mentions a few bandit camps in the area. I also realized I can tell which is human and which is goblin, via the trouble description. Causing us much hardship? Human. Bringing terror to our doorstep? Goblin. Suddenly...

You: "Hows life here?"
The lady draws the copper slicing knife with her Left hand.
The Goblin Poet draws the silver carving knife with her Right hand.
Atthem Sabuseto, lady: "I've forgotten what trouble it was..."

Goblin poet came out of the mead hall basement going all hostile. Cue the almighty copper maul to the neck. Solves all problems.

EDIT: What? Now there's an insurrection going on here? What heresy is this? Shit's falling apart and I just got here.

[Uzu Bash]

First elven tavern was more crowded than any human tavern I'd been to, but the other two in this retreat were crowded with cobwebs, and one didn't even have a tavern keeper. Got attacked by a goblin dancer on entry, and my companions took care of it. At least one goblin dancer was left alive, but he/she wandered off a little after I introduced myself. None of the elves are dancers, I'm really keen on keeping some dancers, of any race, just to learn anything new.

I recruited a famous Bard as an entertainer. There's no dialog option to make requests, so now I have to wait for her to spontaneously perform, and 9 out of 10 it'll be a story about the ascension of someone I don't care about.

My companions have become pretty dismissive critics of my stories now. They rave about the telling, but when it's over, I get panned. Are they getting mutinous, or are they just moody over the unaccustomed death they're witnessing? I've long since past the milestone where I take grim satisfaction in my kills, but they may find it offensive to hear me say so. They've been pretty worthless so far yet have managed to survive, so I can't take my weapons back from their corpses. A bronze colossus and a jungle titan are up on the itinerary, and we shall see whether their luck holds out. Perhaps their balls will drop from the experience.

[Random_Dragon]

Ah giant boar, how I love your tier-two body materials.

EDIT: I have become a bandit. But alas, there is little to be done. Maybe I'll squish the commander's head and take command of the other two. Then...we'll do something.

[Shalderave]

So after the failure of my lasher, see previous post for hilariously useless birdman, I made a mace man.

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And these are his skills after abusing a giant tortoise for about maybe 10 minutes and some other nonsense.

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I won't lie, I started as a demi-god. No shame here, I can't wait to get eaten by a hippo or something. Started with a Silver Mace and an Iron Shield, pretty good, but I found an +Iron Shield+ and some bronze armor right out the gate.

So anyway here's what's happened so far

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A whole bunch of nothing including spending 2 hours learning how to equip armor properly and how to abuse the armor system [lemme just wear 3-15 sets of the same clothes and a breastplate] and I still don't understand it, gathering a couple cronies to follow me around, thinking about where I want to go and accidentally running into the blessed giant tortoise. I ran into them when I stopped to knap some rocks to improve my skills, abuse the system for fun and profit, and I saw the blessed creatures. Threw some rocks at them to provoke them and get some meat, when I bruised the leg of one, my two buds went berzerk and smashed it into egg-shells. Butchered it and got a crap-load of food, and then I noticed there were two other Tortoises who refused to come out of their shell. I remembered the "wrestle a mostly harmless creature" tip and you can't get more harmless than a tortoise. [Giant Alligator Snapping Turtle says hello] So I set the combat preference to wrasslin' and held the arrow key to the point of over-exertion several times over several minutes. Legendary Wrestler and Legendary fighter, and somehow an improved dodging ability were the result. I wish real life was this exploitable, never exercise again, just grab and release your pet turtle for about 20 minutes.

So after cheating like a b-ch to become Heracles, I moved on over to one of the several nearby necromancer towers. The world somehow generated like 5 on one continent and about 8 total, I believe. I was greeted with about, eventually after they crawled up and down from all over the tower to barge through the front door, somewhere around...25 undead? I'll give a picture when I can, I have to go back first.

Well my buddies lasted all of 3 minutes, but I have to give props to the human spearman who got crippled in the fourth round and then spent another 12 biting zombies apart. He didn't even get "struck down" he bled out. They stabbed him in the head once and then kept only giving him superfluous wounds.

So after like, 2 hours of fighting, real-time since I do other things while playing DF but eh, I decided I needed a better mace. I was...Adept Mace Man when I first went there and left...Skilled I believe, and every time I hit the zombies in the head it was a coin flip if it would kill them. One guy took like, four square hits. So I decided, "screw this" and left to scrounge some dorfortresses for maybe a +silver mace+ at the least.

I found one fortress that crashed my game when I approached, so I'm going to write the name down and check it out in legends mode later or something.

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Another was completely and utterly abandoned of everything, and the stairs led down into an underground cavern with some amphibian men that occasionally yelled at me but were rather friendly. I got lost and didn't explore too much, didn't find anything of interest.

Went to another fortress, same thing, but there were some lonely elves and goblins running around screaming, occasionally fighting with each other and acting like they were both at home but that their home was under attack by the other. Down in the cavern, there were two stationary naked mole dogs, one of which I accidentally kicked and sent scrambling while the other took a good minute to react and run itself. Found a long friggin' hallway, so much so I just held the "north" key and accidentally got in a fight with a giant Olm. I reached the end and took a left turn, went down a slightly shorter way and hit a dead end.

So I left that place and went to yet another fortress, this one was populated and...weird. Didn't find anything good, so I left to look at the nearby human Town but I wanna talk about this dorfortress first.

So on the surface the fort looks normal. The trading depo had a hilariously long staircase leading down, 40 something z-levels I think, and down below was a twisted, large are of what I can only describe as several rooms stacked together tetris style, with at least 3 or 4 staircases/hatches leading to different rooms in each room, some of which were sometimes completely cut off from everywhere else, and down one staircase was an enormous underground depo filled with $items$ on every square and smiling dwarfs waiting for customers. There was almost nothing in the fort except small clothing, and a dwarf followed me around on the stairs and kept me "prone" so that was fun. There was also one staircase that led downwards into another large underground cavern that I knew I'd get lost in, and there were several goblins walking leisurely in the fort, only to be cut down by anyone that saw them, including my very angry hammerman I found to replace my other cronies. And they weren't soldiers, thieves, or snatchers. I only saw "Goblin farmers" running around screaming "what's going on?!" The only free stuff available was "small [blank]" clothing so I gave up and left before I got lost in that mess. It's hard to describe how uncomfortable it was to navigate.


So after that I went to a human town on the coast and found a ton of stuff, including, TADAH, some maces, flails, malls, morninstars, and other goodies.

So I have about an hour of armor re-organizing to do now.

My question is, are flails better than maces?

Also, is a ≡Copper Flail≡ better than a +Iron mace+? Is there a reliable way to compare super-high quality weapons of inferior metals with Fine Quality weapons of superior metals?

[Random_Dragon]

My question is, are flails better than maces?

Also, is a ≡Copper Flail≡ better than a +Iron mace+? Is there a reliable way to compare super-high quality weapons of inferior metals with Fine Quality weapons of superior metals?

I vaguely recall them being faster at pulping undead heads than maces, so that's a good sign. As for that, it's worth noting that for blunt weapons, the density does a lot to make up for material inferiority, though material superiority means more if your target is well-armored. This is why silver blunt weapons are typically considered tied with steel for the best option, despite steel having way higher impact values. And this is why adamantine blunt weapons are utter crap despite their impact values matching their absurdity high shear values.

EDIT: I found a library! And it isn't sealed! Squeee.

[Shalderave]

I vaguely recall them being faster at pulping undead heads than maces, so that's a good sign. As for that, it's worth noting that for blunt weapons, the density does a lot to make up for material inferiority, though material superiority means more if your target is well-armored. This is why silver blunt weapons are typically considered tied with steel for the best option, despite steel having way higher impact values. And this is why adamantine blunt weapons are utter crap despite their impact values matching their absurdity high shear values.

Thanks for that. I've been trying to understand the wiki, use it as a self-help guide, but some of it's just beyond me at the moment. There's also some discrepancies, which is to be expected, such as I believe that one page, which of course I can't find now, mentions the increased speed of Flails as being a boon compared to maces, but the Flail page itself says they're inferior but doesn't have much information.

http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Flail

I'm more inclined to believe in their superiority, but I dunno.

EDIT: I would guess that a +Iron breastplate+ is better than a *Copper Breastplate* ?

[Random_Dragon]

Definitely odd, yeah. And yep, iron is lighter and stronger. Unless you plan to boop enemies with it, the iron one is better. Now if it you were comparing iron and bronze...bronze is a tad denser yet just barely stronger, enough that a higher-quality iron armor might beat out bronze armor of a lower quality.

And...wow. Such knowledge, very brain. Someone is tracking blood all over the place, but none of them are dead or fighting.

Also? A FORGOTTEN BEAST parchment scroll. I think I need that, so much.

[Max™]

Welcome to the wonderful world of library hopping!

[Random_Dragon]

Does it count as hopping if I've literally only found a single library I can get into? ;w;

[Shalderave]

Adventure mode needs a way to destroy walls. Some dynamite or gunpowder. Or to somehow trick a BC into headbutting the wall you want down.

[Random_Dragon]

Adventure mode needs a way to destroy walls. Some dynamite or gunpowder. Or to somehow trick a BC into headbutting the wall you want down.

Yessss. ;w;

[Amperzand]

Adventure mode needs a way to destroy walls. Some dynamite or gunpowder. Or to somehow trick a BC into headbutting the wall you want down.

Yessss. ;w;

Very much so. I would actually pay small, student-budget-viable sums of money to whoever managed to generally implement Eldritch-style dynamite charges into the game, it makes so much sense in a roguelike, IMO.

[Random_Dragon]

Instead we must settle for ye olde DFHack.

Or...wait. Minecarts can dump contents and create a full tile of water, right?

Is it possible to, as a flying creature, dump a minecart of water and one of magma, fast enough to create a floating block of obsidian?

It would surely kill you stone dead (pun intended) in the process, but it'd also be exploitable by future adventurers.