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[Dabi]

I guess what it comes down to in the end, is no matter what we do, in the end we are completely and totally f%$#ed. Which means, there is no win condition. Which means we can only lose. As a general rule, we don't "quit"/commit suicide, so that can mean only one thing. "Losing is fun!"

"Life is, in a word, Dwarf Fort."

Thank you, and goodnight.

I wonder what DF will be like if toadys ancestors continue the legacy. Will we have it implanted into our mind and our brain used as the CPU? we could just think "hmm i want to play DF" and all of a sudden we have DF playing and all we can see is DF. Maybe the next hugist update like 3D is now out of space. DWARFS INTO OUT OF SPACEEEEE

[Cariyaga]

Cariyaga, all you're doing is adding 1 + 1 or the number * itself...if we had this we would know its number some way or another - it will keep growing but it's possible to know its number...though just because you know its number doesn't mean its infinite...rwargh it depends on how you look at it.
Time to go make me a coffee!

Given infinite time and no other constraints, such as they are, that would result in an infinite of sorts. The same kind that results from an unbounded x = y.

[Urist McOverlord]

Infinity is inherently unreachable. The concept of infinity could be best paraphrased as "increasing without bound." So basically, all this talk about "reaching infinity" and such is unproductive. With regards to infinitely recursive jasper images, mathematically speaking, every one has an image of itself, so you have an infinite series, but because each is superimposed, it has finite volume (or surface area? One or both are finite...). So the infinite series has a finite sum. Pretty awesome, eh?

[Draco18s]

Huh, alright then. Granted, it's only as approximately flat as we can measure (there's a margin of error in there), but there's no reason to assume it's closed instead of open (I still find it intuitively improbable that it is actually flat, given a 2% margin of error, but hell if I'm qualified to argue it).

The universe has properties that allowed life to flourish in order for us to perceive those properties.

(Eg. if a universe has properties that do not allow for life--such as being so highly curved as to be a finite volume containing a single star--then it effectively doesn't exist: it can not be observed from outside (by definition) and there's nothing inside to observe it either, hence it doesn't exist.  The universe exists because we exist to see it and has properties that allow for life because we, as living being, can observe those properties.  The universe being flat--that is, perfectly 100% idealy FLAT--is because if it wasn't flat, it wouldn't be stable: if it was closed and curved it would eventually collapse in on itself; think about those snap bracelets: flat until you bend them, then *snap* curled up tight, the universe is like that and has properties such that if it wasn't perfectly flat, it would curl up into a tiny ball and cease to exist.  Or so I've been told).

[Sean Mirrsen]

So you rule out the possibility of a finite looped space containing a finite universe? If the universe (alternatively, space itself) periodically collapses in on itself, thus destroying all life, it doesn't really matter as long as the cycle repeats and life gets created anew.

[Dabi]

So you rule out the possibility of a finite looped space containing a finite universe? If the universe (alternatively, space itself) periodically collapses in on itself, thus destroying all life, it doesn't really matter as long as the cycle repeats and life gets created anew.

It repeats? I thought everything is screwed.

[Sean Mirrsen]

So you rule out the possibility of a finite looped space containing a finite universe? If the universe (alternatively, space itself) periodically collapses in on itself, thus destroying all life, it doesn't really matter as long as the cycle repeats and life gets created anew.

It repeats? I thought everything is screwed.

Why yes, it is. Everything is screwed, but that doesn't rule out the possibility of something else appearing when everything disappears.

[Dabi]

So you rule out the possibility of a finite looped space containing a finite universe? If the universe (alternatively, space itself) periodically collapses in on itself, thus destroying all life, it doesn't really matter as long as the cycle repeats and life gets created anew.

It repeats? I thought everything is screwed.

Why yes, it is. Everything is screwed, but that doesn't rule out the possibility of something else appearing when everything disappears.

You're saying a planet containing the needed stuff like water etc with a good steady temperature and non-drastic changes to the atmosphere will pop up after the universe is destroyed?

Though i'm probably wrong.

[Sean Mirrsen]

It's bound to happen, providing the next universe iteration has the same basic properties as this one. Even if it won't completely repeat itself, the sheer size of the universe means that the creation of an earthlike planet somewhere is nigh-unavoidable. Because no matter how diverse the conditions on Earth are, it initially "boiled down" to just three/four factors - planet composition, star intensity and orbital distance. Maybe size. With only four variables and immeasurable diversity of the Universe, an earthlike planet is, on a Universal scale, a very probable occurence.

[Dabi]

It's bound to happen, providing the next universe iteration has the same basic properties as this one. Even if it won't completely repeat itself, the sheer size of the universe means that the creation of an earthlike planet somewhere is nigh-unavoidable.

I just had the idea once the universe reaches its max, another 'big bang' wont happen..it'll just be everything gone or similar.

Though i'm still hoping for aliens in my life-time even though we havin't found anything close to us that can inhabit life i'm hoping they are coming

[Dwarf]

There's that theory which says that our universe needs not to re-collapse. It is a bubble floating in a 5-dimensional 'sea'. From time to time, such bubbles collide (attracted to each other by negative gravitation) and create what we call the 'big bang'.

[Draco18s]

There's that theory which says that our universe needs not to re-collapse. It is a bubble floating in a 5-dimensional 'sea'. From time to time, such bubbles collide (attracted to each other by negative gravitation) and create what we call the 'big bang'.

I love how people misquote various multiverse theories and state them as fact.

[silverskull39]

There's that theory which says that our universe needs not to re-collapse. It is a bubble floating in a 5-dimensional 'sea'. From time to time, such bubbles collide (attracted to each other by negative gravitation) and create what we call the 'big bang'.

I love how people misquote various multiverse theories and state them as fact.

Agreed. Also, am I the only one here who thinks string theory makes absolutely no sense?

[Dwarf]

I don't understand for what it is necessary.

[Dabi]

You guys are all ganging up on Dwarf