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[Acanthus117]

buuuuuuuut, the double chainshotty dude can load up HEAP rounds and incendiaries. they would chew you up like... a dwarf on a *dwarven syrup roast*

[Akigagak]

Hence the meters of steel and/or giant mecha.

[Acanthus117]

HEAP can pierce armor.

[ToonyMan]

HEAP can pierce armor.

/argument

[HAMMERMILL]

HEAP can pierce armor.

Yeah not really. Its why everyone phased out HEAP rounds in favor of HEAT and APFSDS type rounds.

HEAP was awesome against the reletively thinly armored vehicles of the olde dayes o' yore but its utterly ineffective against anything on the ground circa 2010.

[Acanthus117]

ahhh.

then HEAT rounds then. if there are such things for shotguns. If not, modify them rounds for our DAKKAMASTER 3000.

[Lord Dakoth]

Sooner or later, conventional weapons research ceases to involve military superiority and evolves into a phallic contest of "Mine's bigger."

[Strife26]

Sooner or later, conventional research gives nuke level weaponry, and evolves into a shitstorm.




Here's a stupid weapon: Mecha.

Let's take a tank and give it:

Horrible complexity issues
Bigger area that can be targeted
Pressure that will destroy any ground it walks on
Balance problems
Tougher weapon mounting
COG problems

in return for
Humaniod construction
Being taller than a tank (which is a bad thing)

[Acanthus117]

Also, it's too damn easy to tip over compared to a tank.

[Duke 2.0]

I am unsure if this is a good thing or a bad thing. Sure it says that it has a good record, but I'm still on the fence about this. It also shows an early addressing of the Metal Storm issue of reloading.

[Sean Mirrsen]

Sooner or later, conventional research gives nuke level weaponry, and evolves into a shitstorm.

Here's a stupid weapon: Mecha.

Let's take a tank and give it:

Horrible complexity issues
Bigger area that can be targeted
Pressure that will destroy any ground it walks on
Balance problems
Tougher weapon mounting
COG problems

in return for
Humaniod construction
Being taller than a tank (which is a bad thing)

Forgot to specify that "Humanoid construction" implies being able to do anything an infantryman could do were he 10 meters tall and with weapons to scale. I agree that currently, mecha are nigh-impossible to make practical. Still, they're not completely impossible, with some specific research. Battletech mechs were fairly realistic in that regard - with some advanced "muscle replacement" tech and neuro-interfacing, 5-meters-tall mecha under 15 tons could conceivably be more practical than any other armor in urban environments or stupendously difficult terrain. You can't make a tank climb a mountain, after all.

[Acanthus117]

that's what planes are for.

[Aqizzar]

Sooner or later, conventional weapons research ceases to involve military superiority and evolves into a phallic contest of "Mine's bigger."

The "Sooner or later" Period, circa 15000 B.C.

Urgrug: Arh murrah gol bhag!  (Dig this awesome new club!  It's fuckin' huge!)
Morkag: Krog burrug?  Hhaag kolkug!  (You callin' me out boy?  If you wanna see a big club, check under my loincloth.)

[HAMMERMILL]

ahhh.

then HEAT rounds then. if there are such things for shotguns. If not, modify them rounds for our DAKKAMASTER 3000.

For a shotgun? lolno.

The Nazis tried something like that. The Sturmpistole. It was basically a flaregun that shot a 35mm HEAT round and its completely useless for anything besides the fact that you had something called a "Sturmpistole" tucked in your belt and you were told it was good for blowing up communist tanks.

[Aqizzar]

Spoiler: The Nazis also made this. (click to show/hide)

I'm not sure if that's exactly the right picture, but they did experiment with taking an extended-barrel MP40 and bending the barrel in a very smooth, 90 degree curve.  It was meant for tank crews, so they could stick the gun out a hatch and spray fire around the tank's sides without being exposed.

I'd love to know how well it worked.

Their idea for an anti-tank grenade was to take seven potatomashers and bundle them into a slap-dash shaped charge.  Really, for all the props the Nazis get for crazy-awesome experimental weapons, and deservedly so, most of their ideas that actually made it to the field were daft at best and pretty crappy.