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The Pacific
« on: March 12, 2010, 01:40:44 am »

Oh, hey, did you like Band of Brothers? Maybe you didn't see it at all. Either way, if you are interested in the American conflict with the Japanese in the Pacific during World War 2, or more specifically the experiences of the 1st Marines and some of the 7th on Guadalcanal, Peliliu, etc., then you will be interested in HBO's new series from the producers of Band of Brothers. I've had a privileged preview (for review purposes only), and it's really magnificent. It gets better and better as the episodes go on.

It's called The Pacific. It's a miniseries following the lives and experiences of 4 men and their comrades during their tours of duty in the Marine Corps. If you want to see a presentation of the reality of a vicious war on a level that it has never been portrayed, from the first-person point of view of several authors and a winner of the Medal of Honor, this is your chance.

First a disclaimer: It's not for children. It's bloody, brutal, and doesn't pull the punches. The details and story are taken from the writings of three authors and another veteran: Eugene Sledge, With the Old Breed (1st Marines), Robert Leckie, Helmet for My Pillow and a career of professional publication (1st Marines), Sidney Phillips, You'll Be Sor-ree (1st Marines), and John Basilone (7th Marines, winner of the Congressional Medal of Honor for service on Guadalcanal).

Basilone is a little out-of-place, being from another Division and also unable to supply a personal account, but his story is quite magnificent and worthwhile. The rest of the series comes almost exclusively and moment-by-moment from the personal accounts of men who fought as members of the 1st Marine Division.

Sledge's book With the Old Breed is required reading for all marine officer candidates, consisting of the experience of the most brutal battle participated in by Americans during World War 2 (and the rest of his tour of duty) from the perspective of a highly intelligent Christian southern gentleman. His Christianity and his genteel demeanor are downplayed for the benefit of the audience, so that won't be obstructing your view of his story. He's a gentle young man surrounded by the reality of the worst kinds of human suffering and human behavior, juxtaposed to heroism and bravery.

Leckie was a quiet man in the war, an author before and after. Later a respected historian, his writings have been said by his compatriots to include exploits and events of various members of the 1st Marines. The acting and the part are both incredibly good, and the story of the man's experience spans from the trenches of the islands as a machine-gunner and intelligence runner to the streets of Melbourne and even through a military mental hospital. He's a quiet emotional man, a stoic but a person of profound and deep emotion as portrayed by James Badge Dale. If talent is what it takes to get around Hollywood, this man is going places.

Sidney Phillips was an unexpected addition. He had written a small book of stories and recollections about the War, for the benefit of his family and excluding the gritty details. Although he has mentioned his combat experiences at times to individuals, he has no desire to recount them in detail and sees no need to revisit and record them. His best friend Eugene Sledge was haunted by them for decades (to the point that he would arise shouting in the night from his dreams), and there is no knowing what it cost those like Phillips to put them behind him. Sledge and Phillips were childhood friends from the same hometown, and ended up both serving as mortarmen in the 1st Marine Division. They saw each other only for a few days on Guadalcanal, but Phillips provided a vital link between Leckie and Sledge, and the experience for these men of meeting and parting on the miserable edge of the abyss is telling. Phillips is thus included as a less-prominent main protagonist, and his humorous book provides countless details and entertaining flavor throughout the early episodes.

Of course, artistic license was taken with some elements. Foul language enters at appropriate points and is an integral part of the reality of the situation, but rather than including the realistic 4-5 words per sentence (veterans say they didn't use any real adjectives during the conflict) this film spares you from drowning in obscenities and uses them just enough to let you know their place in the Marines' lives.
Extreme care and attention to detail resulted in a stellar work of art in every respect, but sitting with a veteran who was on the scene, one is witness to several comments on the little details that could have been fixed by the oversight of such a veteran. For instance: the marines must climb rigging nets to enter the ships at some points, and a veteran will tell you that only a fool would grab the crossropes unless he wanted to risk the full weight of a man in heavy gear under the influence of the ocean's sway standing on his hand. The realism and attention to detail is quite good, although they do make a small number of typical "Hollywood-approved" breeches in reality such as clustering comrades for dramatic scenes on shrapnel-filled battlefields. Nothing says hand grenade like 25 men standing in a 10-yard radius.

A few liberties were taken with permission as to their activities in Melbourne, though names of the girlfriends were changed due to the fact that the events portrayed didn't actually occur. Another disclaimer: HBO has a certain niche market to satisfy, and there's a long "soft-core" pornographic scene that dwarfs anything seen in 300 or Watchmen. It's just actors acting, but ... well, it's graphic. And long. Whether a long scene of an attractive naked woman pretending to have sex with an artfully covered man is a draw or a discouragement is up to the individual viewer.

Any complaints aside, I can't stress enough what an awesome piece of cinematic achievement this film is. This film is truly not to be missed, and in the words of Tom Hanks "I wish I could lock everyone in the theater for 10 hours, but we can't really do that. Can we?"
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Re: The Pacific
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2010, 01:54:00 am »

HBO makes artistic television series, not trailer trash runoffs. If the sex scenes are anything like Rome or the Sopranos, they're designed to drive home the bare, raw humanity of the rest of the episode, and not to appeal to a single guy with a bucket of chicken.

Just, you know, my two cents.
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Re: The Pacific
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2010, 02:09:28 am »

I feel it's my duty to give fair warning to everyone sitting down with their wives and children to witness an intensely personal portrayal of one of the most important conflicts in history. A 5-minute full nudity sex scene blasting in out of the blue yonder is going to surprise a lot of people.

And while a symbolic portrayal of sex is indeed a useful way to drive home the raw humanity of something, just as an intentionally uncomfortable masturbation scene was used in Jarhead, this isn't exactly that. It's no 30 seconds of Mel Gibson standing chest to chest with his new wife, or cutscenes of bouncing tits in 300. It's several minutes of soft-core pornography.

Thus the need to include commentary on that specific element, particularly because the sexual element has not been included in advertising, surprisingly enough.
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Re: The Pacific
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2010, 06:53:54 pm »

I loved Band of Brothers. Kinda sad it didn't focus on the British a bit more than it did. The only British part that actually stayed with me was that guy with the Luger talking cockney. I understand why they didn't focus on them though.

Which actually makes me think, more than anything, we need a series like this for the Russian front.

Anyway, I'll be watching this, definitely. And, once again, I'm aware this'll probably be an all-American outing, but do you know if the Kokoda trail shows up at any point? Because that entire battle was one of sheer Australian balls and badass.
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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2010, 08:17:38 pm »

Damn I know I'm gonna watch this.

And there was this Marine group of scouts I forgot about, they either fought on something similar to Kokoda Trail or on the trail itself. That or they were involved with liberating prison camps.
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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2010, 08:45:43 pm »

Americans didn't fight on the kokoda track. They tried to flank it, got so slowed down by the jungle and its diseases (note that the people on the track itself had to deal with while fighting). Anyway, the americans arrived late, and so disorganised and dieseased that they couldn't fight anyway.
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Re: The Pacific
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2010, 08:46:13 pm »

That or they were involved with liberating prison camps.
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Re: The Pacific
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2010, 09:53:37 pm »

If it's by the guys behind Band of Brothers, then this is a must see. That series was one of the most impressive things I have ever watched.
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Re: The Pacific
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2010, 10:15:12 pm »

That or they were involved with liberating prison camps.
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No, I don't believe that is what I'm thinking of.

And I think they had "Scouts" in the name.


Hell, maybe I'm mixing them up with a special forces group that operated in Vietnam.
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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2010, 10:19:08 pm »

You mean the SOG?
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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2010, 10:22:03 pm »

I don't helluva remember anything about the name.
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Re: The Pacific
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2010, 12:06:22 am »

If it's by the guys behind Band of Brothers, then this is a must see. That series was one of the most impressive things I have ever watched.
This is what I've heard about it. 

I liked Band of Brothers.  Precisely why, I cannot say.  It's definitely not in the sort of genre I usually watch.  But if the Pacific is anything like it, I'll probably enjoy it, too.
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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2010, 12:07:18 am »

I loved Band of Brothers. Kinda sad it didn't focus on the British a bit more than it did. The only British part that actually stayed with me was that guy with the Luger talking cockney. I understand why they didn't focus on them though.

Which actually makes me think, more than anything, we need a series like this for the Russian front.

Anyway, I'll be watching this, definitely. And, once again, I'm aware this'll probably be an all-American outing, but do you know if the Kokoda trail shows up at any point? Because that entire battle was one of sheer Australian balls and badass.
Well everyone, I apologize for the delayed responses because I have been busy all day. Just returned from dinner with Sidney Phillips's publicists and their family, had lots of fun with them and their pretty sisters. Since I get to toot my own horn and sound like a big shot on the internet: I'm no professional in English, but it looks like I'm about to be the informal proofreader for the second major edition of his book. GoGo Gadget Connections! I'm actually a total nobody, by the way, but I can pay back for the privileges by promoting this amazing work.

Like Band of Brothers, this is not a comprehensive documentary. This is the story of a few men in the 1st Marines, the "Old Breed", the men who had what is considered the roughest tour of duty by American soldiers during the War. I am sorry that it cannot focus on the exploits of their comrades in arms, both Americans and others, but then it would be by necessity an impersonal documentary and not the highly personal story that it is. Even focusing on a few men participating in a small portion of this global conflict, the film spans 10 hours.

While much work was put into historical accuracy, the purpose of the film is to follow a very few men through their own perceptions and experiences. This is why (famous) authors were chosen as the focus, men who had documented their experiences. The truth is that this was a golden opportunity that comes once in the lifetime for a producer working on an historical work: to find that both preeminent works and personal documents exist detailing the daily lives and struggles of men fighting side by side in the most miserable and hard-fought part of the conflict which they wish to document. They made their move just in time and also a few years too late, when the two most prominent authors of the theater had recently died yet many of their comrades remained.

To be clear: there are four main protagonists, the least documented (but highly featured) being Basilone. Although he is the only main character not able to supply personal or written testimony (he was killed later during a second tour in which he displayed further heroism beyond the call of duty), his story is really remarkable and humanly portrayed, with what may be the best representation to date of the perceptions and realities around the men we call our war heroes. The other three are authors in the 1st Marines, the least prominent in the story being Sidney Phillips. He was a living goldmine for the producers, a repository of incredibly detailed knowledge and a vital personal link between the two "main main characters", the famous authors Eugene Sledge and Robert Leckie.

His book is being formally published now in hardback edition for the first time. Lucky you if you own one of the old personal printings or nab one of these few thousand first edition copies; he's about to be world-famous when this film goes on air. They're becoming available in WW2 museums throughout the country, and hopefully his publicists will do well and manage to share his collection of personal stories and memories with the world. They're fantastic people and I really wish them well. The Pacific is the place to see the grit of the war, to witness the harsh reality of what those boys saw and participated in. It's easy to call them men, but they were mostly highschool boys who hadn't even witnessed violence in dramatized media form. To see your friends come to pieces around you as a very young man who has never witnessed even a representation of such things was earth-shattering.

As far as the inclusion of other conflicts and veterans is concerned: the truth is that it just isn't possible. The purpose and design of the film do not encompass a definitive historical representation of the entire conflict, which would be beyond a national effort in scope. If I knew how, I would encourage other countries to take advantage of the existence of these living historical records surrounding them in the form of veterans. Their stories, of patriotism, heroism, and at the most basic level comaraderie, should not be lost and wasted. It is the responsibility of other countries to follow the example of Ken Burns / Lynn Novick (The War), and HBO (Band of Brothers, The Pacific).

Document them. They won't be around much longer; in a decade we will see them all but disappear. And if you really want to see it from their shoes, find the books: With the Old Breed, You'll be Sor-ree!, and Helmet for My Pillow.
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Re: The Pacific
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2010, 12:23:20 am »

It's cool. I'm certainly still going to watch this.

Also, that's ridiculously awesome man. 'Grats on your success.
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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2010, 12:31:49 am »

It's cool. I'm certainly still going to watch this.

Also, that's ridiculously awesome man. 'Grats on your success.
You won't be disappointed. The weakest episode is #2, but be sure to follow through because it gets better and better after that.

Thanks man, but I ain't gettin' nothin' but love here. It's all pro bono :)

I don't want to go into editing, journalism, or writing. Then again, who knows what a hobby will turn into? Right now I'm just some guy getting to act big on the internet  ;)
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