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[Akura]

If I remember correctly, and I do, when you save the game in MGS3, when you come back, Snake(and EVA towards the end) will have slept, and, based on how long you were away, he will recover health and stamina, as well as your food items spoiling(also based on difficulty level), which can be a fun weapon if you've bombed an enemy food storehouse.

There was also Inindo: Way of the Ninja, where the various wars in Japan's Age of the Country at War happen as you play. As a matter of fact, you have about 20 years in game time to beat the game(by killing Oda Nobunaga) or Nobunaga will have conquered all of Japan. In fact, in order to reach Nobunaga, you'll have to convince one of the other daiymo to attack him. And yes, you can even join in the wars, as a spy, saboteur, or even an officer who uses ninja magic to summon a dragon.

[LeoLeonardoIII]

Part of me likes games like this, and part of me doesn't. On one hand I like the world to change as time passes, but I hate when there's a hidden long-term time limit like with Fallout 1 and 2.

I can dig a short-term time limit like Mario or Spelunky. But I can't play a game if I'm going to lose to the timer after 60 hours of gameplay. A change in the game setting, sure. But not just a cutscene and Game Over.

Spoiler: little side rant (click to show/hide)

It's like games where there is a clear "best option" which is not obvious, or where many good options are cut off if you don't do things precisely right. Late Final Fantasy games are riddled with this, where you need to do weird and stupid things throughout the game to achieve 100.000% completion. Arcanum: Steamworks & Magic was another like that, where if you did quests in the sub-optimal order you lost a TON of rewards.

With games like that, I feel the need to use a walkthrough but using a walkthrough ruins it. But the initial playthrough is no fun because I'm plagued by the knowledge that I'm missing out on the Ultimate Weapons because I didn't talk to the piano-player four times from the left side and then 99 times from the right side after giving him 33 coins and pickpocketing 6 coins back (and asking him about his stepsister but interrupting him during paragraph 3 of 12 to cast Song of Memory VII on him).

That is to say, I feel overwhelmed with the game and consequently don't even buy it.

I don't need a linear game. I don't need the game to lay its cards face-up on the table. I just need the game to make sense, not jerk me around, and not have Obscurity Level 11 side quest solutions. I need a game that is not trying to constantly pull one over on the player and require a strategy guide.

[Pandarsenic]

In other words you hate http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GuideDangIt

[Alexhans]

Come on... Fallout reminds you a thousand times to GET ON WITH THE MAIN TASK!  It's not that hard... There are worst games where you can't lose a single minute (literally) or you'll probably be fucked.  Kinda like MadTv... If you don't do it right the first time there's no coming back.  It only gets tougher.   

[cowofdoom78963]

Dead Rising anyone?

[Ioric Kittencuddler]

Part of me likes games like this, and part of me doesn't. On one hand I like the world to change as time passes, but I hate when there's a hidden long-term time limit like with Fallout 1 and 2.

I can dig a short-term time limit like Mario or Spelunky. But I can't play a game if I'm going to lose to the timer after 60 hours of gameplay. A change in the game setting, sure. But not just a cutscene and Game Over.

Spoiler: little side rant (click to show/hide)

It's like games where there is a clear "best option" which is not obvious, or where many good options are cut off if you don't do things precisely right. Late Final Fantasy games are riddled with this, where you need to do weird and stupid things throughout the game to achieve 100.000% completion. Arcanum: Steamworks & Magic was another like that, where if you did quests in the sub-optimal order you lost a TON of rewards.

With games like that, I feel the need to use a walkthrough but using a walkthrough ruins it. But the initial playthrough is no fun because I'm plagued by the knowledge that I'm missing out on the Ultimate Weapons because I didn't talk to the piano-player four times from the left side and then 99 times from the right side after giving him 33 coins and pickpocketing 6 coins back (and asking him about his stepsister but interrupting him during paragraph 3 of 12 to cast Song of Memory VII on him).

That is to say, I feel overwhelmed with the game and consequently don't even buy it.

I don't need a linear game. I don't need the game to lay its cards face-up on the table. I just need the game to make sense, not jerk me around, and not have Obscurity Level 11 side quest solutions. I need a game that is not trying to constantly pull one over on the player and require a strategy guide.

Fallout 1 had a very clearly marked timer, and Fallout 2 didn't have a time limit.

[Farce]

Oddly enough, I just went out and bought Way of the Samurai 3.

There's no explicit time limit like with 2 and 1 - so the plot'll pretty much wait for you, yeah - but in-game events won't.  For example, I went to an event where I was supposed to rescue someone.  My brother mentioned that I should try and pick up a weapon the enemies had there I hadn't seen before, I thought it was a good idea, so I stalled, beating up dudes for their loot.

But eventually, I took too long, and the guy I was there to save died.  Bad end.

The game's still got a clock this time, but you can see it now.  The game still stops time one you hit a "transition" period like in 2 - you know, when you got the jewel thing on your HUD, signifying that time will change once you leave your current area for the town map? - but the transitions are only daytime > nighttime and vice versa, as opposed to morning > noon > late noon, or what have you.

[Sowelu]

If you're into oldies (early 90s or so), check out Quest for Glory IV:  Shadows of Darkness.  It's something of a cross between an RPG and a classic adventure game (e.g. King's Quest, Monkey Island).  (...)  The series is awesome (minus the fifth one, which is apparently crap), but the only one I know firsthand doesn't entirely wait for you is the fourth.

Quest for Glory II also doesn't wait for you. in certain parts at least.  I wasn't fond of that aspect of it actually.  Four elementals ravage the city for a day at a time, showing up at around the time you should be in the middle of the game--but they show up entirely on their own schedule, not on yours.  You have to correctly deal with each of them, on the day they show up.  I think there may be other timed issues, but I'm not sure.

[Virtz]

Fallout 1 had a very clearly marked timer, and Fallout 2 didn't have a time limit.

Actually, I heard they both had a hidden several-year timer (13-year for FO1, I think). But I never played around that long to find out since you pretty much end up omnipotent before even half that time limit passes.

And speaking of Fallout 1, I just remembered:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

The mutant army invasion! According to some, only happened in the upatched version, but I recall seeing muties take over Necropolis by killing Seth last time I replayed it.

Initially, the mutant army was supposed to take over cities every some number of days since the start of the game. Would've made the hidden time limit make sense (like year 13 is when they finally find Vault 13 by themselves). Supposedly the devs didn't have time to finish up that part and removed it in a patch.

[GlyphGryph]

Was going to say Avernum 3 and Star Control 2: Ur-Quan Masters but they've already been mentioned -

So now I guess I need to try this space rangers game?

[Deon]

Well, "it was supposed" is not the same as "it's done" . Fallout 1 has only a Water Chip time limit, and it was pretty straightforward that people need water... After that, and in Fallout 2, there's no set time limit, it's your imagination .

I remember I've ended the game about llevel 46.

[LeoLeonardoIII]

Well, "it was supposed" is not the same as "it's done" . Fallout 1 has only a Water Chip time limit, and it was pretty straightforward that people need water... After that, and in Fallout 2, there's no set time limit, it's your imagination .

I remember I've ended the game about llevel 46.

Hey you're right, now that I think about it, in FO2 the thing happens to the place when you get to it regardless of how long it took.
And FO1 has a second timer after the water chip one. A patch removes it.

[Akura]

What about the Battlecruiser series? In ACM especially, stuff happens whether you're there or not, which is usually not a good thing when you're supposed to be there.


Alternately, the second generation Pokemon games(Gold, Silver, and Crystal, dunno about later versions) have a built-in clock, and stuff happens like Pokemon in day-care leveling up. If the battery in my Silver version is still working, I'll bet I have a level 100 Ditto(for breeding purposes) because of the YEARS it's been there.

[Cthulhu]

The problem with Battlecruiser is that it is horrible.

So, so horrible.

[Sean Mirrsen]

I wasn't aware of any plot in the BC series whatsoever. I guess it's buried too deep.

In similar lieu then, I can point at the Enemy Engaged series, where stuff happens on the battlefield whether or not you choose to accept the missions given to you.