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[Jackrabbit]

Here's a few choice bits:

Not to mention it's an abandonment of the responsibility of your job

Well, the point of this is that the teacher is, forcibly, in a position of power over the student. At a glance this might not seem like a problem, but the problem lies in the fact that the teacher could bend grades and rules to a point where, though not detectable, it is highly disruptive. That also only gets worse when they break up. That's one half of the story and mainly deals with love affairsd

The other half has to do with the sexual side of the story. The teacher is as said, in a position of power over the student, from which it is very dificult for the student to break free. That makes it quite easy for the teacher to exploit said position of power for whatever reasons you can fill in. It doesn't matter that the relationship seems concentual, because even though the student agrees with it, That doesn't mean there's no abuse of power going on.

The law is in place as it is regarded as a breach of trust to have sexual relations with someone you are responsble for looking after.

Now, I'm getting the impression you think it was only the girls fault, or mainly her fault, so correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not. I understand she shouldn't have gotten together with him but it's his fault for breaking the agreement that comes with the job, violating the trust of his co-workers and getting into a relationship with someone he was looking after and had power over.

[JoshuaFH]

Just stay out of this one CoD if that's the best you can come up with. This is a word of advice from somebody with legendary skill at avoiding conflict.

[The Architect]

I think the topic has been completely and fully covered. There's really nothing to debate here, and no conflict to be had.

The exception being people who would generate conflict intentionally or through ignorance and an unwillingness to read what is presented here and consider it. I think both points of view have been represented well, with the definitive argument being the teacher's contractual obligation (violated), and the ethical boundary that has been crossed (although we have evidence that any moral boundary was crossed).

If the relationship was consentual and there were no other moral conflicts such as altered grade outcomes or exploitation of any kind from either party, the ethical violation remains in spite of all arguments or dispute.

The teacher is done, and his career too most likely. He violated the ethical obligation of his job and the standards of his profession. I can empathize with him; love is love. It doesn't negate the ethical violation.

[cowofdoom78963]

Now, I'm getting the impression you think it was only the girls fault, or mainly her fault, so correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not. I understand she shouldn't have gotten together with him but it's his fault for breaking the agreement that comes with the job, violating the trust of his co-workers and getting into a relationship with someone he was looking after and had power over.

What they do out of class is no ones buisiness.

[The Architect]

I guess you're just refusing to consider the ethical issue here. You can't use privacy as scapegoat for behavior that directly violates the integrity of your position as a teacher.

You can't be an alcoholic and perform vital services such as crane operation or nursing, regardless of when and where you do your drinking. You are not permitted to have a sexual relationship with someone who works under you or in direct correlation to your position in a corporate business. There are reasons for these things; in some cases what you do is very much your employer's business, your family's business, or your friends' business. Privacy is not a scapegoat for avoiding responsibility for any of the implications of your actions.

[Jackrabbit]

Here's a few choice bits:

Not to mention it's an abandonment of the responsibility of your job

Well, the point of this is that the teacher is, forcibly, in a position of power over the student. At a glance this might not seem like a problem, but the problem lies in the fact that the teacher could bend grades and rules to a point where, though not detectable, it is highly disruptive. That also only gets worse when they break up. That's one half of the story and mainly deals with love affairsd

The other half has to do with the sexual side of the story. The teacher is as said, in a position of power over the student, from which it is very dificult for the student to break free. That makes it quite easy for the teacher to exploit said position of power for whatever reasons you can fill in. It doesn't matter that the relationship seems concentual, because even though the student agrees with it, That doesn't mean there's no abuse of power going on.

Gross and extremely unethical, although I tend to think older teenagers are given a lot less credit for decision-making ability than they get, and it's certainly "gross and unethical" rather than "evil and criminal and probably worthy of castration" which it would be if the kid were younger

Now, I'm getting the impression you think it's a 'don't ask don't tell' situation, so correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not. I understand that you might believe that if it goes on behind closed doors they're hurting no-one but the fact is that breaking the agreement that comes with the job, violating the trust of his co-workers and getting into a relationship with someone he was looking after and had power over is not acceptable behavior ever.

[cowofdoom78963]

I guess you're just refusing to consider the ethical issue here. You can't use privacy as scapegoat for behavior that directly violates the integrity of your position as a teacher.

People need to learn when to leave work at work. Privacy isent a scapegoat here it's just what this is all about. You might as well say the teacher cannot interact with his students in any way outside of class and call it unethical if he does. This sounds more to me like them trying to play moral guardian to me.

I understand that you might believe that if it goes on behind closed doors they're hurting no-one but the fact is that breaking the agreement that comes with the job, violating the trust of his co-workers and getting into a relationship with someone he was looking after and had power over is not acceptable behavior ever.

You cant just go and tell people how to behave outside their work. His job is to teach his students. Thats it.

Having sex with that girl got nothing to do with that.

[Cthulhu]

You're not listening at all.

He is in a major position of power over her.  He can easily manipulate her for sexual purposes, through grades and the like.  It's extremely unethical to create an emotional attachment when you have that kind of power over someone.

It would be like your boss telling you if you didn't have sex with them you were fired.  It's egregious misconduct.

[cowofdoom78963]

And if he did do something like that she could have reported him.

And she didn't. As far as the article goes he didn't do anything either.

[The Architect]

I think it's time to stop bothering. He just said I'm "trying to play moral guardian" after I carefully explained that the issue here is ethical, and distinctly not moral. He's not reading what anyone is writing, nor does he care to consider any other point of view properly. It's definitely time to stop trying before anything goes south.

[cowofdoom78963]

There is no ethical issue though. Ill just leave it at that.

[Cthulhu]

Yeah, I don't know why I bothered.  He just throws out inflammatory statements with nothing to back them up.

[Lord Dakoth]

Yeah, I don't know why I bothered.  He just throws out inflammatory statements with nothing to back them up.

Let us ignore all of the inane comments, then.

I think that the guy should be accountable according to the law of Liverpool.

Although sixth-form students are above the age of consent, it is a criminal offence for a person “to engage in any sexual activity with a person aged under 18 with whom they have a relationship of trust, irrespective of the age of consent, even if the basis for their relationship is consensual”.

There we go. What he did was criminal, regardless of whether it was consensual or not.

It's not like he had absolutely no idea that he could get into trouble for this. He was probably fully aware that if he was found out, he'd get a large amount of flak. I think that now that he is found out, he needs to be responsible for his actions and face the consequences.

[Cheeetar]

I saw CoD in this thread and I was prepared to see a bunch of drama, but then everybody decided to ignore him and I was

[cowofdoom78963]

Yeah, I don't know why I bothered.  He just throws out inflammatory statements with nothing to back them up.

That's what everyone says when they cant think up a reasonable argument to my so called "inflammatory statements"

It's really a shame though. You could have learned something today.