Oh no not another one of these threads. I'm sorry, but there is literally no point arguing about religion on the internet. Allow me to summarise the arguments:
Religious:
God is so impossibly omniscient and omnipotent that anything you claim to disprove his/her existance is simply a fault of your inferior organic reasoning. Also a few people and a book say he/she exists. Therefore god exists.
Atheistic:
We haven't seen god poke his head out of the clouds and say "Hi! I'm God, and yes, I do exist!" so therefore he almost certainly doesn't exist.
As you can see these arguments aren't provable or disprovable (except by god him/her/itself). Anybody arguing about this is essentially just preaching with the futile hope of converting people. As much as I would like to see people be logical and just give up on religion already, it is an unfortunate fact of human nature that we will find patterns in anything and then try to find something to explain those patterns. Once we have found that something, then we will selectively search for evidence to support it, ignoring evidence against it.
The only tried-and-tested way to get people to believe in the same thing as you is to demonstrate that your belief allows you to explain things that others can't. This is the purpose of science, and only through millions of years (at least) of scientific progress will we be able to truely demonstrate/disprove the existance of deities. The way I see it, god could well exist but his possible domain is limited to everything outside our current understanding of science. The only way to truely know whether or not god exists is to understand everything about the universe. Once we can explain every phenomenon observed then and only then will we be able to safely say that there isn't a god. Until that point I don't care if people want to claim that god created the big bang, just as long as they don't try to contradict observed fact (such as the anti-evolution lobby).
please..for god's sake...(ZING!)
This isn't such a bad thread, it can very well be enlightening and provide some insight into many things, and aspects in philosophy, religion and the like.
The bay12 forums are full of a rugged bunch of intelligent people, don't underestimate them.
If we don't make this thread into " hey, you're wrong and you should die and burn in hell/in nothingness" or whatever, it could be quite good.
Me for example tried to chip in my five cents to see what you guys thought. My intention was never to convert someone.
I just find Armok's statements a little....well, arrogant, and I think he should stop thinking he is the king of the universe for a second.
On the topic of what you said; yes, nothing here is provable nor disprovable. But that's kinda the point of discussing it. We gain something from discussing bullcrap like this.
And, btw, we can probably never get to understand everything in the universe like you said, since we would have to have an infinite amount of storage to store all the memory. Since the universe is infinite( in some regard).
For example, there is always something made out of something. Like how molecules are made out of atoms. Atoms are made out of sub-atomic particles and so on.
It's always made of something else, and we will never find the bottom it seems.
But ey, just my opinion again. Have fun trying to make this thread work again ; P
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