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dreiche2

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Re: On the Topic of Atheism
« Reply #150 on: March 01, 2010, 08:27:18 pm »

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Haha what? So much about generalizations, again.
Haha indeed. Not just you either. Anywhere on the internet you can find an aggressive or passive aggressive atheist who's more than willing to derail you with your use of "could" in a sentence rather than address his double-sided negative fallacy sword.

Not just me either? You're still saying I'm insultingly blatant? "Memories of B12 atheists from times past"? I don't even think I ever participated in a discussion about religion in this forum before.

Aggressive, passive aggressive, yeah right. Who's making the ad hominem attacks here. Plus the constant sweeping generalizations. And swearing.

"could"... hu?

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Hu? Anyway, I'm afraid I have to go to bed. Good night!
Riiiiiiiight. Just think about it for me.

I'd have a think if I'd knew what you're talking about!

Bonne nuit!
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Re: On the Topic of Atheism
« Reply #151 on: March 01, 2010, 08:52:18 pm »

*sneaks in*

There's a difference between 'Whatever floats your boat, I guess' and 'You're stupid if you think a higher power is going to save you now/after you die!!1!1'. Same difference between 'Dude, whatever, I don't believe in god' and 'You're going to BURN IN HELL FOR EVARRR!11!'.

The amount of the burn-in-hell crap is less than the 'DUDE UR STOOPID' crap, but they are trying to overdo the being vocal thing. The amount of fanaticism and zeal oozing from both extremist sides is what gets me (gets me laughing, I mean).  And for the record, I don't give a damn if you believe in a god; mine or otherwise, a benevolent force, a pantheon of gods or actively refuse their 'alleged' existence, whatever. And I'm a religious type, too. And I can understand the evangelists being zealous, but seeing the same zeal in atheists is a bit intriguing.

I'm not feeling threatened by the presence of agnostics and atheists, and sure as hell (hmm, nice analogy there isn't it) I have no intents of forcing anyone any religious thought. The second you go aggressive, however, I (and almost everyone else) will try to defend ourselves. And in the years of scrounging so many forums (had internets since 98, it's been over 10 years... damnit I'm getting old) I've mostly seen atheists attacking. The atheists I've encountered were almost always on the attack, on an aggressive track to 'deliver the shackled minds from it's chains'. As organized political and philosophical formations, religions have learned (or are painstakingly learning) not to attack non-believers. Theists from different religions can live in peace (Christians, Jews and Muslims in the US manage to do so, last decade's negativities withstanding), so some of us just want to accept you as yourselves and get on with our lives.

Anyway, my major point is this: If extremely vocal theists are zealous, how would you describe the extremely vocal atheists? Vigorous? Filled with fervor? Because, as an outsider, it just seems like the same crap. I can see why the god (or gods, or whatever) can be so important to a religious person, but why is this belief so important to the atheists?
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Edit: Believing in Axe Cop is tempting, though.
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Re: On the Topic of Atheism
« Reply #152 on: March 01, 2010, 09:02:33 pm »

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Not just me either? You're still saying I'm insultingly blatant? "Memories of B12 atheists from times past"? I don't even think I ever participated in a discussion about religion in this forum before.

Aggressive, passive aggressive, yeah right. Who's making the ad hominem attacks here. Plus the constant sweeping generalizations. And swearing.

No, you're right. I think I'm thinking of Leafsnail. The endless one quote reply posting ballooning into irrelevant nitpicking about words is bringing back memories of some sort anyway. I can't put my finger on the individual, but there's one here that I really dislike but it's been so long it might as well be the lot of atheists here.

My modest proposal for atheists is a culmination of a reaction to every atheist I've met. On the whole, I would consider it a very negative impression.

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Who's making the ad hominem attacks here.
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And [you are] swearing.
Lol. Weren't you supposed to be going to bed?

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I'd have a think if I'd knew what you're talking about!
Do it. Address it. You know you want to.

You are familiar with the negative proof fallacy? Probably this half of it:

   there is no proof X is false
   therefore X is true

Did you know it has a sister half? And they're, gasp, teaching the following blasphemous logical fallacy in school?

   X has not been observed
   Therefore X does not exist

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Anyway, my major point is this: If extremely vocal theists are zealous, how would you describe the extremely vocal atheists? Vigorous? Filled with fervor? Because, as an outsider, it just seems like the same crap. I can see why the god (or gods, or whatever) can be so important to a religious person, but why is this belief so important to the atheists?
High five! I'm not the only person who has noticed this trend.

I'm starting to think I'm not the only one with a negative impression of internet atheists either.
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Re: On the Topic of Atheism
« Reply #153 on: March 01, 2010, 09:26:31 pm »

How is this for an idea:

Live and Let Live.
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Re: On the Topic of Atheism
« Reply #154 on: March 01, 2010, 09:28:11 pm »

Akigagak, let us form a pact. Every time someone post something serious in this thread, one of us must spam that.
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Re: On the Topic of Atheism
« Reply #155 on: March 01, 2010, 09:52:19 pm »

haahahahahahhahhahahahhahahahahahahhahaa
 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

People are STILL talking about religion on the internet!!! XD

To open your eyes a bit... Read jimmykeller's posts  ;D:
http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?s=654a212099fabab4768a2c00bbbb8cda&t=88455
jimmykeller is our messiah... XD
When I came across this, I was having so much fun that even registered to be able to read the post where they taunted him, he came and they finally got him banned (alongside with his other 7 accounts)
http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?p=1317900


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Re: On the Topic of Atheism
« Reply #156 on: March 01, 2010, 10:17:16 pm »

Man that's like a trainwreck in motion, I can't look away, yet I don't want to read it.

What.
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Re: On the Topic of Atheism
« Reply #157 on: March 01, 2010, 10:28:23 pm »

My favorite part is the video of Fox News getting all excited over a video artifact.
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Re: On the Topic of Atheism
« Reply #158 on: March 01, 2010, 10:33:47 pm »

Eh fine. I'm about out of rant on atheism anyway.

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even registered to be able to read the post where they taunted him
Could you copypaste or screenshot it?
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Re: On the Topic of Atheism
« Reply #159 on: March 01, 2010, 11:03:39 pm »

In the name of my religion, I must all convert you to the way of...

*HUGS*

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Re: On the Topic of Atheism
« Reply #160 on: March 01, 2010, 11:10:40 pm »

I just copied the text from a printable version:

http://bay12games.pastebin.com/Ch78nkr7

6 pages, too much work to post in screenshots ...

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Re: On the Topic of Atheism
« Reply #161 on: March 01, 2010, 11:16:30 pm »

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Who's making the ad hominem attacks here.
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And [you are] swearing.
Lol. Weren't you supposed to be going to bed?
This right here. This is being passive aggressive. Keep it civil.
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Re: On the Topic of Atheism
« Reply #162 on: March 01, 2010, 11:23:05 pm »

And that right there was dredging up a dead and unnecessary point.
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Re: On the Topic of Atheism
« Reply #163 on: March 01, 2010, 11:48:45 pm »

And in the years of scrounging so many forums (had internets since 98, it's been over 10 years... damnit I'm getting old) I've mostly seen atheists attacking. The atheists I've encountered were almost always on the attack, on an aggressive track to 'deliver the shackled minds from it's chains'. As organized political and philosophical formations, religions have learned (or are painstakingly learning) not to attack non-believers.

My drive to work every morning would tell me otherwise.  How many Atheist bumper stickers proclaiming "There is no God"?  Zero.  License plates?  Zero.  How many proclaiming "Jesus is lord", "God is your savior", and license plates that say "Gzus Lvs"... but there's no way you can get one that says, "No God."  I have seen approximately 15 cars this week alone (and it's only Monday) that have some sort of religious message that is crammed down my throat about how "God" and/or "Jesus" will grant me entry to heaven.  I won't even get into the national money aspect of it... in a country with freedom of (and from) religion who's pledge of allegiance was changed in the 50s to add "Under God"... No, Atheists are not being aggressive at all.  In fact, I'd argue we've been stepped on for not speaking up over the years when we should have.  Now, most religious folks (my Father included... thanks Glenn Beck and the rest of you) think that the founders formed this union BECAUSE they wanted to spread Christianity and wanted the Christian "God" to be a major part of our governance ... I still don't understand that argument.
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Re: On the Topic of Atheism
« Reply #164 on: March 01, 2010, 11:55:35 pm »

Live and let live.
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