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Re: Elf trade goods tsunami!
« Reply #30 on: February 28, 2010, 12:37:34 pm »

Bringing a dwarf to trial for elfslaughter is as rightful as bringing a human to trial for eliminating world hunger.

... Technically, that may make sense...  If a human ended world hunger, it would probably be by "correcting" other humans, rather than producing more food... after all, there is a finite amount of arable land in the world, and a finite number of ways to increase crop yield, wheras human population growth is and has been geometric ever since the agricultural revolution.

Therefore, "ending world hunger" would probably entail enforced birth control of some method at its nicest, or global warfare and genocide at its cruelest.

As such, I would expect someone who actually succeeded at ending world hunger to, yes, be tried for some kind of war crimes if they ever caught that person.
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« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2010, 05:07:48 pm »

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Re: Elf trade goods tsunami!
« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2010, 04:53:54 pm »

my opinion on the "Elfslaugher" front would be this: trial happens. you are found guilty. the mountain-homes give you a medal.
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Re: Elf trade goods tsunami!
« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2010, 10:59:51 pm »

my opinion on the "Elfslaugher" front would be this: trial happens. you are found guilty. the mountain-homes give you a medal.

Would that be something like a conviction in absentia, where I would be a hero in my homeland, but could never leave the country, for if I did, it would lead to immediate inprisonment?
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Re: Elf trade goods tsunami!
« Reply #34 on: March 16, 2010, 12:03:20 am »

I believe that is what you call a "Crapsplosion".
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Re: Elf trade goods tsunami!
« Reply #35 on: March 16, 2010, 04:24:20 am »

my opinion on the "Elfslaugher" front would be this: trial happens. you are found guilty. the mountain-homes give you a medal.

Would that be something like a conviction in absentia, where I would be a hero in my homeland, but could never leave the country, for if I did, it would lead to immediate inprisonment?
More or less. Unless you claim they were making faces at you. ALL OF THEM. Then the elves will ask you why you didn't eat their corpses.
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Re: Elf trade goods tsunami!
« Reply #36 on: March 16, 2010, 07:53:43 am »

So now you know - when the Elves start bringing caravans consisting entirely of cloth bins, this is what they're trying to bring...
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Re: Elf trade goods tsunami!
« Reply #37 on: March 16, 2010, 04:04:45 pm »

my opinion on the "Elfslaugher" front would be this: trial happens. you are found guilty. the mountain-homes give you a medal.

Would that be something like a conviction in absentia, where I would be a hero in my homeland, but could never leave the country, for if I did, it would lead to immediate inprisonment?
Dwarves would give you a medal. humans are such racist bastards (by what they are in most fantasy settings) that they wouldn't care, other than possibly to use it as propaganda to show how much better they are... but no one cares. and the elves.... no one cares about the elves. though you could always use firehound's idea to get off scot free by everyone. and the elves would make sure to bring better stuff next time. or bombs. but that's a risk you'll have to take.
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« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2010, 05:58:47 pm »

Ok, recap:

So if I double [trade_capacity] of (What do dwarves use, wagons also?) I'll get double the amount of trade goods?

Sounds perfect for my mini-fortress I'm planning! It will need many, many external ores to be brought in!
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Re: Elf trade goods tsunami!
« Reply #39 on: March 16, 2010, 07:26:32 pm »

which would probably be some pretty uncomfortable underwear if it had that much wood in it

I SO read that the wrong way.
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Re: Elf trade goods tsunami!
« Reply #40 on: March 17, 2010, 01:58:25 am »

Ok, recap:

So if I double [trade_capacity] of (What do dwarves use, wagons also?) I'll get double the amount of trade goods?

Sounds perfect for my mini-fortress I'm planning! It will need many, many external ores to be brought in!

Well, you see, traders have a certain rate at which they will "unload goods".  If you set your trade capacity too high, they will take the entire month that they'll stay on the map before turning around to try unloading the goods, and you won't ever get to trade.

So yeah, you can double the [trade_capacity] on a wagon (it's naturally 15,000) and probably get away with it.  Just don't go into anything 6 digit.

I had it at 20,000 last time, though, and it took about an hour just going through all the crap that the dwarves brought to trade, though.  (MAN I wish we had wildcard searches and "select alls" on the actual trade screen.)  If you make a habit of trading away stuff at about a 3:1 ratio in value of your goods for the value of their goods, you will already be naturally getting a pretty insane amount of goods for trade.


So now you know - when the Elves start bringing caravans consisting entirely of cloth bins, this is what they're trying to bring...

Oh, and speaking of trade capacity, simply setting camels, donkeys, mules, and muskoxen to have a trade_capacity of 15000 will pretty much give you what Elves were "supposed to bring".

which would probably be some pretty uncomfortable underwear if it had that much wood in it

I SO read that the wrong way.

... It actually took me a couple seconds to get that... heh...

Dwarves would give you a medal. humans are such racist bastards (by what they are in most fantasy settings) that they wouldn't care, other than possibly to use it as propaganda to show how much better they are... but no one cares. and the elves.... no one cares about the elves. though you could always use firehound's idea to get off scot free by everyone. and the elves would make sure to bring better stuff next time. or bombs. but that's a risk you'll have to take.

Considering how wars seem to go in my world, where an army of 98 elves attacked a goblin city that was defended by 1 elf who was kidnapped as a child, and the 1 elf won, killing 37 elves... and these sorts of battles happen EVERY YEAR, I'm pretty firmly convinced elves place absolutely no value on life in their culture.  They are even more of a zerg rush race than the goblins.
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Re: Elf trade goods tsunami!
« Reply #41 on: March 31, 2010, 01:55:44 pm »

Oh, and since I'm mentioning the philosopher, while it has little to do with the topic, I'm somewhat amused by how the philosopher doesn't have a thinking trait, while my tax collecter has a 99 in her thinking trait...

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