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Author Topic: School hands out laptops, uses their webcams to spy on students  (Read 8088 times)

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Re: School hands out laptops, uses their webcams to spy on students
« Reply #135 on: February 23, 2010, 10:23:42 pm »

Any word on what the pictures were OF that the school allegedly took? Because I'm seeing wacking off as the only possible ulterior motive here. Also, how does he know they took the pictures? Does it say so on his computer? If so, man somebody was dumb.

In any case, we can now look forward to a spate of allegations of pedophilia against teachers as well as priests.
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Re: School hands out laptops, uses their webcams to spy on students
« Reply #136 on: February 23, 2010, 10:25:15 pm »

My school is way cool. We have a guy who, in his official job capacity, is required to listen to students tirades and act upon them for 'the betterment of facilities and community'. They pay a guy for teenage girls to bitch him out 24/7 and then he has to actually listen so he can try and fix the 'problem'. Dude has balls of radiated brass encased within the sun to take that job.

Or a finely honed ability to totally not give a shit.  Have you ever seen any evidence of him "acting upon complaints for the betterment of yadda yadda"?  Because I'm pretty sure most public schools have somebody with that in their job description, and do a fine job of rendering it completely meaningless.

Sometimes all it takes to make someone feel better is to listen to them, so they get how they feel out in the air and can act on it.

In other words, a school councilor sounds like a really cushy job.  As an added bonus, you get to hear all the drama that's going on, and considering how young kids are when they decide to start they're (retarded) adults, I'm sure the drama is hilarious.
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« Reply #137 on: February 23, 2010, 10:25:51 pm »

My school is way cool. We have a guy who, in his official job capacity, is required to listen to students tirades and act upon them for 'the betterment of facilities and community'. They pay a guy for teenage girls to bitch him out 24/7 and then he has to actually listen so he can try and fix the 'problem'. Dude has balls of radiated brass encased within the sun to take that job.

Or a finely honed ability to totally not give a shit.  Have you ever seen any evidence of him "acting upon complaints for the betterment of yadda yadda"?  Because I'm pretty sure most public schools have somebody with that in their job description, and do a fine job of rendering it completely meaningless.

Private school, and yes sir. Because people whined at him over the 'grodiness of school lunches and cold sack lunches' we got some food places to sign contracts with the school for food deliveries, several new microwaves, and a $5 tuition increase.
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Re: School hands out laptops, uses their webcams to spy on students
« Reply #138 on: February 23, 2010, 11:12:11 pm »

Any word on what the pictures were OF that the school allegedly took? Because I'm seeing wacking off as the only possible ulterior motive here. Also, how does he know they took the pictures? Does it say so on his computer? If so, man somebody was dumb.

In any case, we can now look forward to a spate of allegations of pedophilia against teachers as well as priests.

He was accused of doing drugs when it was apparently just candy.
He was reprimanded and shown the evidence.

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Re: School hands out laptops, uses their webcams to spy on students
« Reply #139 on: February 23, 2010, 11:36:23 pm »

Any word on what the pictures were OF that the school allegedly took? Because I'm seeing wacking off as the only possible ulterior motive here. Also, how does he know they took the pictures? Does it say so on his computer? If so, man somebody was dumb.

In any case, we can now look forward to a spate of allegations of pedophilia against teachers as well as priests.

He was accused of doing drugs when it was apparently just candy.
He was reprimanded and shown the evidence.

Lmao I bet those school officials felt real stupid

Also which candy is easily mistakeable for drugs?
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Re: School hands out laptops, uses their webcams to spy on students
« Reply #140 on: February 23, 2010, 11:51:42 pm »

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« Reply #141 on: February 23, 2010, 11:55:25 pm »

What kind of crazy ass school has the money to throw around laptops, special Big Brother programming not withstanding?

Man, I would have killed for a school that dedicated to interactive learning and functionality.  My highschool spent easily that much money on football equipment and event-coordinated uniforms.

Like the people the idiots tried to obliquely mention, I would have also made webcam footage of my balls to make them stop watching.
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Re: School hands out laptops, uses their webcams to spy on students
« Reply #142 on: February 24, 2010, 12:21:41 am »

Any word on what the pictures were OF that the school allegedly took? Because I'm seeing wacking off as the only possible ulterior motive here. Also, how does he know they took the pictures? Does it say so on his computer? If so, man somebody was dumb.

In any case, we can now look forward to a spate of allegations of pedophilia against teachers as well as priests.

He was accused of doing drugs when it was apparently just candy.
He was reprimanded and shown the evidence.

Lmao I bet those school officials felt real stupid

Also which candy is easily mistakeable for drugs?

http://www.lovemarks.com/media/image/good_plenty_html.jpg

I can see how an idiotic administrator could mistake this as drugs, especially if the room was dimly lit. ESPECIALLY if they were LOOKING for incriminating pictures to begin with.

However, since we've already established that they were just trying to get free kiddie porn, we'll disregard that one point.
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Re: School hands out laptops, uses their webcams to spy on students
« Reply #143 on: February 24, 2010, 11:54:07 am »

Tinker vs. Des Moines actually turned out in favor of the students, who most certainly WERE allowed to wear those anti-war armbands.

Yes and no.

Tinker v Des Moines came out in favor of the students at that school for that specific case. But the problem is the problem with every student-related Supreme Court case (except the Pledge of Allegiance one): it sets a low boundary between what is and is not allowed, and gives schools the ability to argue past the issue if it ever arises again.

Here's what I mean:

In Tinker v Des Moines, they established that wearing black armbands in the school was a form of passive political speech, and was not disruptive to the learning environment. Tinker also won because the school enacted the rule against black armbands after people had made the decision to start wearing them in protest of the war.

However, after that, all a school had to say was, "It is disruptive to the learning environment" to be safe. After that, any kid with bright orange liberty spike haircuts could get in trouble for being disruptive to the learning environment because his hair is a) too distracting or b) a safety hazard. My Law & Criminal Justice teacher told me of an issue where a very gelled-and-spiky-haired student tried to protest when the principal brought him to the office--the principal grabbed a sheet of paper in both hands, brought it down on the kids head, and the paper got sheared into two halves just by the hardness and sharpness of the hair. The principal then had the argument that the kid could be a danger or disruption.

The judicial system works by establishing precedents; even if a specific case is won, it is the reasoning in the court justices' majority and concurring opinions that determines whom the true winners are.

The most recent big case that we learned about was New Jersey v T.L.O. In it, a 15-year-old girl was accused of smoking in the bathroom, and when she was brought to the principal, she claimed that she didn't smoke in the bathroom because she didn't smoke at all. The principal went into her purse, found cigarettes, and also found rolling papers. He then kept searching and found other marijuana-related items, including a paper with a list of names. He called the police, all that legal stuff and school-rule stuff, and basically, TLO brought it to court that the principal violated her fourth amendment rights of "No Unreasonable Search or Seizure".

In the US, a police officer must have, specifically these words, probable cause to search something privately owned for evidence. They must go to a judge and get a search warrant in order to search private property, unless there is something in plain view or he sees a felony being committed, that lives are in immediate danger, or that evidence may be destroyed if he does not act fast. On school grounds, because school officials have in loco parentis (they have the authority of parents over the kids, more authority than a police officer on school grounds), the principal had a right to search the purse because the rolling papers were in plain view when he found the cigarettes, and he had the right to open the purse to find the cigarettes because it a teacher told him that TLO was smoking in the bathroom and she would have it on her person if she was.

Though I agree that TLO should not have won the case, the court said that school officials do not have to act on probable cause; they only need a reasonable suspicion. These bolded words are all recognized legally--I am not using synonyms or my own definitions for them. Because school officials need only a reasonable suspicion rather than a probable cause, students in effect have less privacy.

Interestingly, for all the weight that the exact lingo has in the world of law, the Tinker v Des Moines case's biggest lingo, that students do not shed their constitutional rights at the schoolhouse gates, has not actually been too effective at deciding landmark cases since then.



As for the "oh, kids at school are slaves" and all that:

Though Aqizzar is right in the technicalities of the freedoms in choice, the de facto effect of the laws in place remove freedoms of kids. At school, the teachers and officials have nearly absolute authority due to in loco parentis, and attendance at school is mandatory until at least age 16. Even then, a person may not drop out of school without parental permission; they may only drop out of school at age 18 without parental permission. I don't know if that is my state though or if it is national, so I could be effectively wrong to you guys if it's a per-state basis.

School is good. I love learning and understand the values of education. But that doesn't mean that the system is great as it currently stands.
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Re: School hands out laptops, uses their webcams to spy on students
« Reply #144 on: February 24, 2010, 02:03:07 pm »

I don't even use computers at school.
I do know that the authoritarian fascist catholic scumbags who run the school do indeed give people long periods of isolation if they find you joining any facebook groups they disagree with.
"Students, having independent opinions?!  Lord preserve us!" :P
Let me guess, if you join a fan group of something like, say, the Simpsons or some fantasy game, you get in trouble?
In the lower school, most probably.
There's a 6th form where it's a bit less nauseatingly religious, and that's where I am.
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« Reply #145 on: February 24, 2010, 02:56:47 pm »

School is goodcould be better. I love learning and understand the values of education. But that doesn't mean that the system is greatacceptable as it currently stands.

Though I suppose I am taking the context as the overall whole school system... not just privacy.

Kid rights are as they are because noone is paying money to further this agenda.  So its really a non-issue/non-benefit blip in the agenda for anyone to bother with.
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Re: School hands out laptops, uses their webcams to spy on students
« Reply #146 on: February 24, 2010, 04:29:19 pm »

School is goodcould be better. I love learning and understand the values of education. But that doesn't mean that the system is greatacceptable as it currently stands.

Though I suppose I am taking the context as the overall whole school system... not just privacy.

Kid rights are as they are because noone is paying money to further this agenda.  So its really a non-issue/non-benefit blip in the agenda for anyone to bother with.

I have entertained the idea of being a children's rights lawyer, but ultimately decided it isn't something I'd be able to do well.

You're right that kids simply don't have good rights, but yet we deem them acceptable because from society's perspective, they have been accepted. In truth, the whole "rebellious teen" stereotype that we label those mangy kids with is really when we teach kids "this is what's fair and this is what's not--and by the way, we aren't being fair to you".

Curfews are unconstitutional. They are discriminating against teenagers and children for two reasons: to make sure that kids don't vandalize things, and for the safety of kids to not get picked up by pedobear. Statistics might have shown that kids are a large percentage of vandals in the non-curfew areas, but the rule of statistics is inconsistent. If statistics showed that black people got into more car accidents than any other minority by a large percentage (I don't know if it does or doesn't), we wouldn't dare suggest outlawing black people from driving, because it's unthinkable in our society to discriminate like that.

To use a more real statistic, the elderly cause either the most car accidents or the second-most after teenagers. In New Jersey, there is a proposed law under discussion about requiring teenage drivers to have a bright orange sticker on their car to identify them.  The trouble is that it means that cops might target those cars for an easy ticketing. If someone tried to propose that law about requiring to identify elderly-driven cars, it would be marked as ageism. People forget that ageism can work in both ways.

Anyhoo, curfews are still very real even though they are discriminatory because no one challenges them, because in a couple years, those kids will be old enough for them to be unaffected by the laws. It is a shame how many capable young'uns are limited because of their age rather than any sort of ability/skill tests.
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« Reply #147 on: February 25, 2010, 01:52:37 pm »

I thought it said kill stats at the bottom, not skill tests.
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