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[Aspgren]

Speaking of nobles.

I get this alot. "She was upset by a lessers pretentious dining arrangement recently" and .... I don't know what it means.

Does it mean she wants a better dining room or does it mean she's jealous of a commoners dining room?

[Diablous]

She thinks that someone who is lower than her has a dining room that is too good.

[Mungrul]

Well excuuuuuuse me Princess, I can't help it if I like giving my legendary champions with kill-counts in the hundreds nice rooms to live in.

It's the breeding that gets me.
I think I'll adopt that "Kill a consort" rule. My current Duchess / Countess / Whatever pops out at least one sprog a year.
It's getting too much.

[Diablous]

Well excuuuuuuse me Princess, I can't help it if I like giving my legendary champions with kill-counts in the hundreds nice rooms to live in.

That is one of the reasons I hate them. The champion has given much to the fort, he deserves a fancy dining room more than those noble parasites.

[Shadowlord]

In the last 2d version, one of my nobles had my legendary swordmaster maimed with a red injury (which basically never healed back then) for "violation of production order" - naturally, since the swordmaster was a legendary military dwarf, he couldn't be un-drafted and so was unable to even work in a workshop.

That swordmaster had just singlehandedly saved the fortress from a bronze colossus - everyone else who tried to fight it just got stomped.

I don't have a captain of the guard or a hammerer in my forts anymore.

Once in the 2d version, I had a dwarf accidentally drown while carrying a baby due to a natural flood from the cave river (also in 2d - it flooded periodically and she didn't get away in time), and this caused her husband and one of her remaining sons to become upset and tantrum. Well, of course, the hammerer came along and murdered the one and maimed the other... (You can probably guess what the rest of her relatives did - that's right, tantrumed. Cue hammerer, murderer of children.)

[Percival]

I'm with Aspgren. Immigrant nobles add complexity to the gameplay. Dealing with their absurd demands is fun. Personally, I think that inter-fortress social problems should be much more complex. It would make the game all the more engaging.

[NW_Kohaku]

Hmmm... Oops, I might have spiked my hammerer a little too hard.  She wound up with a red wound to her right arm (jackpot, I thought at the time, since a crippled arm would probably prevent holding a hammer,) but has spent the last 2-3 season in bed.

Now she "doesn't care about anything, anymore", and will likely jump off a cliff if she ever does manage to heal.

I'm now hoping that she just stays permanently bedridden.

I'm with Aspgren. Immigrant nobles add complexity to the gameplay. Dealing with their absurd demands is fun. Personally, I think that inter-fortress social problems should be much more complex. It would make the game all the more engaging.

Adding extra little hoops to jump through is fine...

Making the punishment for a random mandate change to retroactively make you fail an export ban wind up killing one of your best dwarves is not.

I honestly would prefer it if the dwarves' socializing took a little more prominince in the game... as it stands, you don't even know that a dwarf has gotten married unless you specifically look, or your female dwarves start popping out babies mid-hauling job.

[Spaghetti]

I like the monarch.

The only one i managed to get was a competant sworddwarf and a master building designer.

The only thing i like about the useless nobles is that they remind me of polititians which i wanna kill anyway.

Honestly they are dwarves. The nobility should be like they are in Dragon age origins. Warriors with authority.

[Lord Dakoth]

I'll say one thing about the nobles. Once the goblin sieges stop being a challenge, there's nothing like some good old-fashioned internal conflict, punctuated by a surge of magma.

[Aspgren]

Cue hammerer, murderer of children.)

Children could be punished in the 2d version? ... that's harsh. I can't imagine them surviving a single hammer strike! It's like .. every time a child does something naughty you flip a coin. "Heads you live, tails you die!"

[Ze Spy]

thats why i always sent a hammerdwarf after the hammerers face if s/he does something stupid , like kill my legendary swordsdwarf , i don't bother if its a peasant or cheeze maker

hammering the hammerer , anyone?

[G-Flex]

thats why i always sent a hammerdwarf after the hammerers face

Er, how? You can't have dwarves attack friendly units.

[Levi]

Or one or your nobles bans the export of something while the caravan is still leaving. It's still considered a crime. Everybody who brought the offending material to the trade depot is guilty, and since you probably don't have enough jail cells, most of them will get severely beaten and incapacitated, crippling your fortress.

This!  This happened twice in a row in one fortress I had, leading to massive tantrum spirals and "Fun".  The poor fortress didn't survive due to the whims of one crazy noble.

[Loyal]

I'm with Aspgren. Immigrant nobles add complexity to the gameplay. Dealing with their absurd demands is fun. Personally, I think that inter-fortress social problems should be much more complex. It would make the game all the more engaging.

I'm fine with noble demands as long as they're possible to fulfill. A noble who likes Bismuth Bronze on a map without Granite is acceptable; I can import the metals from the Human and Dwarf caravans.

A noble who likes Clear Glass on a map with no sand is unacceptable. It's like Russian Roulette, except they don't even have the decency to let you hold the gun yourself.

[darthbob88]

I agree with Loyal regarding which nobles live or die, with the addendum that borderline items, like rose gold when I have no gold, is only tolerated at long intervals; otherwise, somebody's drowning. Otherwise, I'm willing to tolerate dwarves who just eat and drink without contributing, since I usually run around 2-3K food and drink by the time I get nobles, and have enough room to build something for the useless tossers to live in. What offends me, though, is the way the nobles get annoyed by others having nice rooms, or not having nice enough rooms.