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[The Architect]

Limited resources are part of the mechanic. Grinding is a silly way to waste gamers' time when it is necessary to progress, and a terrible way to ruin the game for yourself when it is not necessary and you are free to abuse it.

I loved Bioshock, but it's not on the same level as Dead Space. I'm still pissed as I can be that someone stole my Bioshock.

[Sir Pseudonymous]

You played it on a computer that couldn't handle it? No wonder you're complaining. It wasn't designed for a computer, it was designed for the 360. The computer port was a nod to people who didn't have the system but still wanted to play the game.

Massive and quite frankly unacceptable problem right there.

You don't have the right to complain about the game just because you didn't have the system to play and appreciate it.

Did you miss the point of "performs drastically worse than not only contemporary works, but also modern ones"?

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The list goes on. If you were playing a game intended for consoles with a mouse and keyboard, of course it was clunky.

Another glaring problem, designing for a grossly inferior interface leads to bad controls, who knew?

It probably also just sucked because you didn't have a TV screen and surround sound to enjoy it on. The game absolutely demands a surround sound system, and the HD includes things like flies and lettering that you would never be able to see on a normal-sized computer screen.
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A low resolution screen a couple of meters away beats a comparatively high resolution screen a couple of feat from your face? Even if it's an unusually large screen, it still loses (unless you're far too close to it, in which case enjoy your floor, I'll keep my comfortable chair). The sound system thing I think is bullshit, is using headphones instead of some fancy sound system setup making the controls unresponsive and generally bad, or the graphics look and run like shit?

[The Architect]

I can see I'm not going to convince people who had bad experiences with the game. I'd appreciate it if you stop trolling the thread now; in fact I would appreciate it if you'd delete all of your trolling.

You're just here to bitch and moan about your bad experience, and frankly that's not acceptable. You take every comment made such as the need for a surround sound for the full experience (it's about ambience and the echoing effects programmed for surround sound, not your computer's bad performance).

If you had a bad experience with your computer being unable to handle the game, I'm sorry. This is a game that pushed the 360 and PS3 to their limits in many respects, and those are both machines designed specifically to play games. Most computers have trouble keeping up with games like that, and since they designed it with high demands it will perform worse than contemporary games with lower standards that suit your computer.

Deal with it, but get it out of my thread. Enough trolling; buy yourself a gaming machine or a better computer, but don't blame the game for your equipment's shortcomings. I'm sorry if you can't afford a console or surround system; I worked all summer for mine and I'm feeding and housing myself right now while going to college. I'm covering my bases because I don't want to leave anything else for you to take out of context and whine over.

[x2yzh9]

I can see I'm not going to convince people who had bad experiences with the game. I'd appreciate it if you stop trolling the thread now; in fact I would appreciate it if you'd delete all of your trolling.

You're just here to bitch and moan about your bad experience, and frankly that's not acceptable. You take every comment made such as the need for a surround sound for the full experience (it's about ambience and the echoing effects programmed for surround sound, not your computer's bad performance).

If you had a bad experience with your computer being unable to handle the game, I'm sorry. This is a game that pushed the 360 and PS3 to their limits in many respects, and those are both machines designed specifically to play games. Most computers have trouble keeping up with games like that, and since they designed it with high demands it will perform worse than contemporary games with lower standards that suit your computer.

Deal with it, but get it out of my thread. Enough trolling; buy yourself a gaming machine or a better computer, but don't blame the game for your equipment's shortcomings. I'm sorry if you can't afford a console or surround system; I worked all summer for mine and I'm feeding and housing myself right now while going to college. I'm covering my bases because I don't want to leave anything else for you to take out of context and whine over.

Oh god....

THANK YOU!

He's been trolling alot of threads, and i've been battling him in nary every thread. It's time someone finally noticed this troll.

[Sir Pseudonymous]

You disagree with me, so remove all trace of such unthinkable wretchedness and be gone from my sight.

>:|

There is really nothing I can say to fully express just how wrongheaded that is, from your self-righteous calls for censorship to the notion that consoles are anything but cheap, poorly made, locked down computers.

My laptop cost far more than any console, and is infinitely more useful. My old gaming rig, despite being positively ancient now, easily beat out the 360, although it suffered a failure of some sort a couple of years ago, and I never got it fixed. One of the heatsinks, I think, since it still runs if you can keep it cool while it does so.

So... yeah.

Oh god....

THANK YOU!

He's been trolling alot of threads, and i've been battling him in nary every thread. It's time someone finally noticed this troll.

None of those statements is remotely true. You attacked me for saying that I didn't find a game compelling enough to play, and thus was leaving the game, rather than dropping out without a word. And it may have been you who endlessly lambasted me for condemning the guy behind Aurora for insulting us all.

[The Architect]

You're still trolling. I'd appreciate it if you don't abuse the editing feature in Quote to make me out as a villain.

Reread your own posts, and try to understand the purpose of my posts. They aren't to put you down, they're staunch defense of a title recognized universally as a masterpiece. It's far more difficult to defend something than it is to throw unfounded accusations at it, and all attempts at defense have resulted in a single response from you: "I had a bad experience because the game performed sluggishly on my computer, so it *insert profanity* sucks."

That's trolling. I've been patient with you, but that's enough. This forum won't put up with it for long, and I'm admonishing you to stop seeing enemies everywhere and read the posts as if conversing with friends and equals. You've done nothing but treat every positive post about this game (on a thread meant for talking about this game) as a personal attack, and you continue to push elitism and an attitude of superiority far beyond the tollerable limits.

Yes, begone. From my thread, designed to talk about a game I like with other people who like it. You've had your say, Sir Troll, and your words are unwanted and unappreciated. When you can actually read and coherently respond to an entire post, you'll be welcome back.

[Micro102]

The topic of the thread is "Dead Space!", not "Talk about how good Dead Space is". If your calling a biased opinion on dead space being bad trolling, then you have to call a biased opinion on dead space being good trolling too.



While limited finances can be a function of the game, some people don't like playing like that, and opening an option to grind for people who want to is in no way a bad game design. Dead Space is limited in this view.

I was looking forward to playing to the end but getting to a point where I used up all my money and not being able to pass the level because i had a bad combination of equipment and not wanting to have to all that pain staking creeping around again, I quit.

[The Architect]

Well that's your opinion, but i found other games (like Bioshock) to be better. That "heavy armor" slowed you down way to much for the protection it gave.

Well, when I hit the quote I saw you'd posted again. No, I don't think posting about features you dislike in the game is trolling. I have nothing to say against you, Micro, and actually I am grateful for your perspective.

The game does allow upgrading, but it is paced to prevent you from boring yourself by maxing out your weapons and strolling through. When you beat it, you're given a large fund of cash and nodes, along with the option to buy a more armored suit, read backstory (if you care to, which I didn't) and play it as the creators intended (Impossible mode). On a second playthrough, things are still fresh and unpredictable unless you have a perfect memory (I didn't know what was coming until round 3, or rather my Round 2 Impossible mode game).

Grinding is a poor mechanic at any time, but putting that aside let's look at Dead Space. The game gives you free resources throughout so that it is never impossible; it's even possible to beat the game and all bosses without weapons or without touching the Store if you so choose. Opening grinding would have required a few changes that really alter the gameplay, and it would have also completely unbalanced the economic system. It simply doesn't have a place in Dead Space; I honestly can't see any way of shoehorning it in without breaking both the atmosphere and the game's weapon/upgrade system. It would also break the premise of the plot, which is arriving just moments after everything goes to **** and defeating nearly all of the recycled human biomaterial during your playthrough.

I hope that answers any question as to the reason for my statements against grinding, though I thought the first deposition on grinding was perfectly clear. Grinding is also generally recognized as one of the worst features in games when required, and battled by programmers in other games with graded xp scales so that players don't ruin games for themselves by powerleveling.

[Sir Pseudonymous]

That's paraphrasing, it's useful not only for distilling the meaning of a large chunk of text, but allowing you to see how your words are coming across.

Dead Space is less "recognized universally as a masterpiece" than it is "generally regarded in a favorable light".

I have responded only to those posts addressing me directly, and not until the last one have I even commented on the post itself.

Yes, my criticism of the game is rather specific and probably because of my computer. Which does not change the fact that it easily handles games with much better graphics than dead space. It is no less valid for it than your saying that it needs surround sound audio to be fully enjoyed. Yes, I had a very negative experience with the game, the graphics were poor, and wound up barely playable even at the lowest settings. That aside, the gameplay itself was rather poor too. As much as I wanted to like the game, and as much as I tried to give it a chance, it just wasn't enough to keep me playing it.

Disagreeing with you, or having a negative opinion of something, is quite different from trolling, in fact. Perhaps you would like to spend some time contemplating the difference before you continue leveling spurious accusations against me?

[x2yzh9]

You disagree with me, so remove all trace of such unthinkable wretchedness and be gone from my sight.

>:|

There is really nothing I can say to fully express just how wrongheaded that is, from your self-righteous calls for censorship to the notion that consoles are anything but cheap, poorly made, locked down computers.

My laptop cost far more than any console, and is infinitely more useful. My old gaming rig, despite being positively ancient now, easily beat out the 360, although it suffered a failure of some sort a couple of years ago, and I never got it fixed. One of the heatsinks, I think, since it still runs if you can keep it cool while it does so.

So... yeah.

Oh god....

THANK YOU!

He's been trolling alot of threads, and i've been battling him in nary every thread. It's time someone finally noticed this troll.

None of those statements is remotely true. You attacked me for saying that I didn't find a game compelling enough to play, and thus was leaving the game, rather than dropping out without a word. And it may have been you who endlessly lambasted me for condemning the guy behind Aurora for insulting us all.

You want to know why he did it?

Because some assholes did it first, calling him a retard, asking to get his liscense revoked, etc., generally being assholes. In return, he was an asshole. Makes the world go 'round, doesn't it?

And stop being wood for the flames, troll.

[Micro102]

You:"o...I don't like how hard it is and don't feel like restarting, *hit a button that lets you replay a map or do a mini game*"

Game: "WARNING! This will make the game easier then the intended difficulty level" (or something like that)

You: YAY! now i can play as the designer intended or the way i want it!


A good game will create a lot of good experiences, a bad game will create a lot of bad experiences, the key to this is giving the player an option for everything, and a default path.

(what is this aurora argument? I've been on the thread but don't recall anything like this)

[Sir Pseudonymous]

You want to know why he did it?

Because some assholes did it first, calling him a retard, asking to get his liscense revoked, etc., generally being assholes. In return, he was an asshole. Makes the world go 'round, doesn't it?

And stop being wood for the flames, troll.

People complained, in general conversational manner (which includes hyperbole), of the terrible design decisions he made, and the backwards install process damaging their operating system. Steve later showed up, spoke down to everyone, not just those who had spoken negatively of him, then threw a little fit over someone asking people who are not Steve for a guide, albeit in an angry manner, and proclaimed he was ragequitting, while remaining logged in to watch the reactions. None of this has anything to do with Dead Space, however, only old drama.


To get back on topic... uh... Dead Space was a disappointment, because most of what I'd heard about it had been positive, and it sounded like a good game, yet it was clunky, generally unfun, and the graphics were in dire need of optimization like almost every other major game released in that period and after got? That's a decent summary of my opinion on the matter.

[The Architect]

I appreciate the change in tone. What I still don't understand is how you can claim that a game is clunky if you were unable to play it properly or even without lag due to computer problems.

When I say universally recognized as a masterpiece, I mean every word. It's on every list of top games for 360/PS3, and it's received nothing but good reviews from professionals and overwhelmingly ecstatic reviews from casual gamers. See, that's a qualified statement. That's what I expect when someone wants to argue something.

[Micro102]

1. Never give into hype, only get mad when the hype is a lie made by he company. (Spore)

2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1358dIzn9gg I don't see those as bad graphics, maybe you need to go into options and set everything to max and get a better screen  . Or maybe you just have refines tastes.

And if someone wants to rant about a game, do you really think a company is not gonna bribe a magazine to keep bad stuff about it's products off? Heck it might even be a natural "don't want to get them mad" type of situation.

And professionals aren't the ones buying 90% of the games. They won't have the same opinion as most of the mainstream gamers as they are professionals and as such look at different aspects of the game.

[Smitehappy]

To get back on topic... uh... Dead Space was a disappointment, because most of what I'd heard about it had been positive, and it sounded like a good game, yet it was clunky, generally unfun, and the graphics were in dire need of optimization like almost every other major game released in that period and after got? That's a decent summary of my opinion on the matter.

We get it, you've seen the truth when all us plebeians were gawking over something that obviously crap. That's wonderful, but here's the thing. The only thing you've done here is throw your opinion in everyones' faces and make me and anyone else observing this thread see you in a negative light.

Aaaaaanyways, I adored Dead Space. Me and a few of my buddies rented it for the weekend as we have a tradition of playing Survival Horror games together in the dark. It only took a few hour to easily become one of our favorites, up there with Fatal Frame and Condemmed 2.