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[Pandarsenic]

I think they should be awesome in different ways, like how Scavenger is a resource harvester, I spray unholy boolits everywhere, sniper is good for annihilating boss-type things, and knives are olwat.

[411570N3]

Personally prefer all classes to be viable. Though if you had a mechanism where you could feasibly change classes then making the harder to get ones be more powerful would probably be okay.

Spoiler: I got bored again. (click to show/hide)

Very Pistol
A compact, cockpit optimised emergency signalling device. Or a flare gun. Your choice. Fires a 2 damage shot for 6AP at an accuracy of 3-17 and a crit of 5-15. Non-allied units facing the place the shot comes to rest take an AP penalty and will do their best to get away from the burny thing, which takes precedence over other things. Luckily for you, most people don't realise that the sheathed magnesium flare this thing fires is more likely to cause direct burns than actual ignition, seeing as it's mainly shell.
$Money
5AP shots: $Not as much money
Extra accuracy: $More money
Crit of 3-17: $Lots of money

Combat Shotgun
Quite a bit more efficient than your old hunting shotgun. Also accepts lots of types of rounds, though changing them on the go will be a bit of a problem (3AP action). Each shot only produces 6 .75 damage pellets, but only takes 5AP. It has a 4-16 accuracy and a 9-10 crit.
$Money
Slug rounds (changes to a single 3 damage shot with 3-17 accuracy): $Not as much money
Flechette rounds (changes to 15 0.5 damage pellets): $Not as much money
Dragon's breath rounds (changes to a small directional explosion much like the Claymore, 1.5 damage): $More money
Handy ammo slots (changing ammo type is a 1AP action, shots take 1AP less): $Lots of money

.600 Nitro Express Revolver
Because you want to shoot tanks with your side-arm. Each shot is a monstrous 3 damage round that takes 6AP to fire. If you were out of your freaking mind, you could theoretically fire it at 4AP per shot. Y'know - if you enjoy the sound your shoulder makes when it's dislocated and relocated (large self damage). Each shot has a hit chance of 3-17, a crit of 9-12, and reduced penalties to armour.
$350
No self damage, but -1AP penalty per turn: $100
Rapid shots are only 3AP: $150
Depleted uranium penetrators. Because you want to shoot at battleships with your sidearm (bullets penetrate small enemies and do extra damage to large ones; penetrating bullets become 5 0.5 damage pellets with a hit chance 5-15 and crit 10-10). : $250

Derringer
Why would you even want to buy this? 0.5 damage shots at 5AP each with 4-16 accuracy and 9-11 crits.
$Bloody Cheap
Less AP cost: $Medium expensive-ish
More Damage: $Medium expensive-ish
You get two shots: $Medium expensive-ish

.410 Breach Loader Shotgun
Don't be seen in public with this thing. It pretty much marks you as a newbie that can't handle the recoil of a real shotgun. Each shot is 5 0.5 damage pellets, at 6AP a shot. 4-16 accuracy and 10-10 crit.
$Cheap
Extra Accuracy: $Medium
Extra Pellets: $Medium
Double Barrel (Double pellets, +1AP a shot): $Expensive
Fast Loader Clips (-1AP each shot; also cancels penalty from double barrels): $Expensive

Carbine
Basically an automatic pistol with a stock. It'll have to work as your smg for now. 0.75 Damage shots at 2AP each. 5-14 Accuracy and 10-10 crit.
$Cheap
1.5AP Shots: $More Expensive
1 Damage Shots: $More Expensive
4-15 Accuracy: $Yet More Expensive

Vector
Like a submachine gun, but with more sliding blocks or whatever crap it was that makes this thing almost recoilless whilst keeping it a bullet hose. A 0.75 damage shots at 1AP each bullet hose. That has an accuracy of 3-18 accuracy and a 8-12 crit.
$Lots of money
1 Damage Bullets: $Not quite as much money
Less AP Cost: $More money
Halve AP Cost (Applied after less AP Cost): $Very, very large amount of money

DP Machine Gun
It's a machine gun, sure, but that giant disc on the top is going to be a pain to reload. 8AP gives you a decent 6 shots at 1.25 damage each with 4-16 accuracy and 9-12 crits, but moving in the same turn costs double AP.
$Cheapest machine gun
Extra shots: $Not quite as expensive
Less AP: $More expensive
No AP Penalties: $More expensive

BAR
Basically an automatic rifle rather than a machinegun, but at least it's pretty quick. 4AP gives you 3 shots at 1.25 damage with 5-15 accuracy and 9-11 crits.
$Marginally more expensive than the last machine gun
Extra shots: $Not quite as expensive
More Damage: $A bit more expensive
Less AP Costs: $More expensive

RPD
Not that great, but it's still better than that giant disc thing. 6AP Gives you 6 shots at 1.5 damage each with 3-17 accuracy and 8-12 crits, but moving in the same turn costs double AP.
$Fairly expensive
Extra shots: $Not quite as expensive
More damage: $More expensive
No AP Penalties: $More expensive

SAW
Decent machinegun that's nice and powerful without starting to get ridiculously heavy. 7AP gives you 8 shots at 1.5 damage each with 3-17 accuracy and 8-12 crits, but moving the same turn costs double AP.
$Really quite expensive
Extra shots: $Not quite as expensive
Lower AP Cost: $More expensive
No AP Penalties: $Much more expensive

Browning .50 Cal
This belongs on a turret, not in your hands, but if you insist. 8AP will give you 10 shots at 2 damage each with 4-17 accuracy and 8-11 crits, but moving in the same turn makes it 6-15 accuracy with 10-10 crits and costs twice as much AP. When not firing, you still take a penalty to movement to the tune of 1 extra spent AP every two steps.
$Holy balls this will be expensive
Extra shots: $Not quite as expensive
Lower AP Cost: $More expensive
Lower AP Penalties: $Much more expensive

XM214
It's a 'man portable' minigun. Hah. As ridiculously bulky as it is, two guys with a couple of these could turn any confined space into what equates to a meat grinder. Spinning up takes 4AP, and allows you to fire for that turn. Firing takes 2AP and fires 8 1.5 damage shots at 3-17 accuracy with 7-13 crits, and you can repeatedly fire as many times as long as you have AP. However, moving whilst spun up takes 2.5 times the AP and causes the gun to fire at 7-13 accuracy. Even when not firing, you will still take twice the AP to move.
$If a person with points in machinegunner gets this gun then the game is essentially over. Some ridiculous number goes here.
Increased spin up speed: $Mad
Fires 2 extra shots per 2AP: $Crazy
Strap two together (Double shots fired [applied last], moving takes 4 times AP spun up, 3 times at all time): $The players' total money, plus 10

[RedWarrior0]

I think they should be awesome in different ways, like how Scavenger is a resource harvester, I spray unholy boolits everywhere, sniper is good for annihilating boss-type things, and knives are olwat.

This.

Also, XM307 25mm autocannon. Do eeeet.

[411570N3]

Maybe if Cheddarius says a greater array of explosive weapons or perhaps an entire explosives based class is wanted.

[Cheddarius]

Hrm.
Allstone, your weapons are... excellent. They are very high quality work.
I will pay for explosive weapons and a class. What prices sound reasonable to you?

[411570N3]

Anything's fine. I don't really mind. I'll just finish off on the sniper rifles first then.

Spoiler: Sniper Rifles (click to show/hide)

Percussion carbine
Not that great, seeing as it's basically a barely modernised version of old flintlock weapons. Must be readied before firing (5AP). Fires a 1.75 damage shot with accuracy 3-17 and crit 8-13 at 6AP a shot.
$Very cheap rifle
Extra damage: $Not very expensive
Extra accuracy: $Medium
Reduced AP cost to ready: $Fairly expensive

Enhanced Marksman Rifle
Better than that old World War II relic. Firing hefty 4.5 damage shots for 9AP each at a great accuracy of 2-19 and crit of 6-14.
$Holy balls it's expensive
More damage: $Slightly less expensive
Extra range: $Slightly less expensive
Lowered AP cost: $Very expensive
BOOM HEADSHOT: $Still expensive

Bolt Action Sniper Rifle
This is just as painful to your wallet as it is to your enemies. Painful 5.5 damage shots come at 9AP each, but you have to ready it to fire for 6AP the turn before you fire or on the turn you fire if you're that ridiculously fast. You can't move with the rifle readied. The upshot is that it fires at an accuracy of 2-20 and a ridiculous crit of 5-15.
$If you have to ask you can't afford it
More damage: $Quite expensive
Extra range: $Expensive
Lowered AP Costs: $Very expensive
Bipod (You can keep the rifle readied as long as you don't move; keeping it readied for more than one turn increases crit chance): $Incredibly expensive

Anti-materiel Rifle
Each bullet for this weighs more than your entire arm. They aren't actually bullets, but tiny guns, because after you shoot the bullet a second charge explodes inside the bullet to make it go even faster. The now ridiculously fast bullet also isn't a bullet, but a tiny rocket. The bullet ignites its fuel and further accelerates, before hitting an enemy. As the tip touches the armour, a tiny frontal charge detonates, tearing a prefect hole in the armour. The bullet flies through, but is slowed by other armour. At this point a second charge explodes, not only ravaging the internals of the enemy, but propelling forward a now searing-hot depleted uranium core. Before each shot, you must load it (6AP) and ready it (6AP). You must ready it on the turn you fire it or the turn before. Firing it costs 8AP, and produces a horrifyingly large 9 damage round. The round can travel through up to three small targets before shattering into 4 0.75 damage pellets. If it cannot pass through a target, it will instead hit that target three times + shattered shards. It has an accuracy of 2-20 and a crit of 4-16. You may not move while it is readied. Moving with it equipped costs double AP. You may not have this in a character's inventory without it being equipped. At all times, the barrel protrudes from the character into an adjacent square. When the gun is readied, it is locked into place and the character must fire in the direction the gun is pointing or re-ready the rifle to point in a different direction.
$The shopkeeper is laughing. Good luck.
Extra damage: $Horrendously expensive
Extra crit chance: $Horrendously expensive
Lowered AP costs and penalties: $Horrendously expensive

[Rolan7]

I'm a sucker for cooperative systems.  As long as *somebody* can take down the zombies, I'm happy as long as I can prolong their life.  I'd be most bothered by characters who belong on the front line, being 1-shotted.  In fact, I'd accept some major further penalties to combat effectiveness if I got:
1) An ability to buff healthy players, so I have something to do before things get bloody.  Perhaps an adrenalin shot to increase their movement speed briefly.
2) An ability to stabilize a downed player, so they don't die.  They wouldn't recover until they made it back from the waiting list, but it prevents the loss of ability points!
3) An ability where if I shoot an enemy that has just wounded someone, it'll try to kill me instead.

Any of those sound good?

[411570N3]

Demolitions
Subclass of engineer
Lowered AP costs to fuse, defuse, throw, fire, equip or reload explosives and explosive weapons
Less damage taken from explosions
Less damage dealt from melee and non-explosive weapons
Thrown and launched explosives go further
-Some fairly high amount of PP

Spoiler: Perks (click to show/hide)

Special Ingredients: -3PP: Extra explosives damage and range
Duck: -5PP: Takes significantly less damage from explosives
Whoosh: -4PP: Units caught in explosions are likely to get thrown, depending on the blast's damage
Fire in the hole: -3PP: Explosive damage will reflect off structures and large enemies, stacking.
Shockwaves: -4PP: Explosive damage can travel through structures
*Chink*: -4PP: If you are throwing explosives a distance 2 squares or less, the AP cost is significantly less.
*Chink**Chink**Chink**Chink**Chink*: -6PP: If you are throwing throwable explosives a distance of zero squares, it is a free action.
Move with the wave: -9PP: When you take explosive damage, you are instead thrown from the explosion, avoiding a proportion of the damage.
Experienced: -5PP: Team members take less damage from explosions you cause (or don't activate set explosives, if applicable).
Shrapnel: -2PP: Explosions spawn debris which may do damage to all units.
Shell Shocker: -5PP: Enemies caught in explosions may be stunned.
*Beep*: -3PP: May freely detonate any set explosives.

Spoiler: Flaws (click to show/hide)

Loves the smell of burning: +5PP: You will not activate or fire explosives that you are not in the blast radius of.
One wayward wire: +5PP: There is a small chance each turn that each of you unequipped explosives will detonate. If an unequipped explosive also takes damage, it will also have a chance of detonating.
Duds: +3PP: Your explosives have a chance of not working.
Don't know what you're doing: Explosives may backfire, meaning they will activate in a way which disadvantages you.
Friendly Fire - On: +4PP: Friendly units will activate your explosives (or take extra damage, if they already do).
MINE: +3PP You may not share explosives.
Sky high: +4PP: You may not place explosives one at a time.
On a short fuse: +8PP: All damage taken has a chance to detonate unequipped explosives.
Firebird: +8PP: May not cause explosions that are not on or next to your square.
Impatient: +6PP: Will detonate or use all possible explosives immediately if any unit would be harmed in the explosion.

[RAM]

I like the idea of all classes having similar upgrade potential, probably having within about 5% of the points they can spend on perks. But I don't have a problem with snipers dealing more damage overall at the cost of being able to hit fewer targets, or medics/scavengers doing miserable damage but making it up in other areas.

I also support not being too bothered about balance. Having one person's progression suddenly end because they chose the wrong class while everyone else still has years worth of upgrading ahead of them is sort of depressing. But balance is tricky, and is never really perfect, I wouldn't want this to turn into balance wars...

[Tarran]

Hope you don't mind me doing melee weapons.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Knife:
Damage: Low.
AP to attack: Low.
Cost: Low.
Description: A normal kitchen Knife, not really the best weapon to attack a zombie with. It's a good idea to find a better melee weapon ASAP.

Hammer
Damage: Medium-low.
AP to attack: Medium-high.
Cost: Low.
Description: A normal Hammer, quite slower than a Knife, yet does more damage. It's a good idea to find a better melee weapon ASAP.

Dagger:
Damage: Medium-low.
AP to attack: Low.
Cost: Medium-low.
Description: The Knife's big brother, the Dagger does more damage than a Knife, and costs more. It's still a good idea to find a better melee weapon though.

Shortsword:
Damage: Medium.
AP to attack: Medium-low.
Cost: Medium.
Description: The first decent melee weapon, the Shortsword takes longer to swing than a Dagger, but does more damage. Likewise, it costs more.

War Hammer:
Damage: Medium-high.
AP to attack: High.
Cost: Medium-high.
Special: Knocks enemy back two squares.
Description: A better version of a normal Hammer, quite slow, it's main advantage is that it can knock enemies back two squares.

Mace:
Damage: High.
AP to attack: Medium-high.
Cost: High.
Description: Different from a War Hammer, it is faster, and does more damage. However, it lacks the knock-back ability of the War Hammer, and costs more.

Longsword:
Damage: Medium-high.
AP to attack: Medium.
Cost: High.
Special: Chance to slice off limb.
Description: A powerful melee weapon, it is the first weapon with the chance to cut off limbs. It costs a lot, but it's worth it.

Claymore:
Damage: Very high.
AP to attack: High.
Cost: Very High.
Special: Chance to slice off limb.
Description: The best melee weapon money can buy, if you need to kill someone quick, this is your weapon. It takes a long time to swing, so if you are swarmed, you're better off with a Longsword.

[411570N3]

Spoiler: Grenade Launchers (click to show/hide)

40mm Grenade Launcher
This is meant to be for an assault rifle. But hey, at this price, not many people can complain. It accepts a decent variety of ammo too. With a range of 6, it reaches further than the thrown varieties, and has a respectable 2 damage on contact with 1 damage to surrounding squares. It's single shot only though, so while it only takes 5AP to fire, it takes another 6AP to load.
$Expensive, but still the cheapest grenade launcher
HE Rounds (2.5 damage on contact, 1.5 damage on adjacent, 0.5 damage at 2 squares distance): $Quite expensive
CS Gas (Causes 2 square radius cloud that lasts a turn; units in the cloud take 0.1 damage a turn, are unable to fire projectiles and have a 1AP penalty):
Delayed Detonation (Can bounce off structures, counting as having moved 1 square; must travel the entirety of its distance to detonate; you may choose to ignore the effects of perks on this weapon): $Not quite as expensive

DP64
Nice and neat grenade launcher. Not as cheap as the 40mm, but while it loads at 7AP, it can shoot twice for 4AP a shot and takes just as many types of rounds. Has a range of 7, with 2 damage on the center square and 1 damage for a 1 square radius. If you are firing within two squares, you may fire upwards - the grenades instead landing next turn.
$Quite expensive
HEAT Rounds (3 damage on center square, 0.75 damage on adjacent): $Very expensive
Anti-personnel (1.0 damage on center square, decreasing by 0.25 for each square going outwards; causes 8 shrapnel fragments of 0.25 damage each): $Quite expensive
Timed Detonation (grenades detonate at the end of your next turn; enemies will try to escape the blast radius): $Quite expensive
Incendiaries (Creates a 2 square radius area of fire which lasts until the end of your next turn; units which start their turn in the fire take 0.75 damage; units which end their turn in the fire take 0.75 damage; units which spend time in the fire take 0.25 damage for each AP spent in the fire): $Very expensive

MGL
MGL stands for multiple grenade launcher. Didn't the last two do that, you ask? Well the other dwo didn't have a revolving mechanism that lets you fire 6 rounds at once.
Loading takes 8AP, but you can fire six times in a row afterwards at 5AP a shot. Still in the standard 40mm caliber, so it accepts lots of rounds. Has a range of 7, with 2 damage on the center square and 1 damage for a 1 square radius. If you are firing within three squares, you may fire upwards - the grenades instead landing next turn. You can also choose to airburst rounds if you are firing within five squares, increasing their radius of effect by a third of their normal radius, rounded down, but decreasing their effect by half.
$Very expensive
HELLHOUND (3 damage on center square, 0.25 damage on adjacent): $Very expensive
Concussive (1 damage on center square, with 0.25 damage lost for each square moved out from the center; enemies which take damage may be stunned and take an AP penalty; enemies facing the center of the explosion may be stunned and take an AP penalty; stunned units miss a turn): $Very expensive
Timed Detonation (grenades detonate at the end of your next turn; enemies will try to escape the blast radius): $Quite expensive

XM GMG
A belt fed grenade launcher. Because you want to see the world burn. 1.5AP a shot, for 2 damage on the center square and 1 damage for a one square radius. Firing more than 2 shots in a turn incurs a double AP cost for movement penalty. Whilst not firing you experience a 1.5 movement cost. Firing more than 4 shots a turn requires that the user stay completely still for the duration of the turn.
$Incredibly, massively expensive
Intelligent (Will not detonate until an enemy is in blast radius): $Ridiculous
Cluster (Detonates into a random scattering of grenades which each do 1 damage at center and 0.5 damage to adjacent squares): $Insane
Chlorine Gas (Produces a 2 square radius cloud for 2 turns; units which start their turn in the cloud take 1 damage; units which end their turn in the cloud take 1 damage; units which spend time in the cloud take 0.5 damage for each AP spent in the cloud; units in the cloud are unable to fire projectiles; units in the cloud will blindly run out of the cloud, regardless of targets; units in the cloud automatically waste 1AP in horrible pain)

Grenade launchers may fire over obstacles, taking a range penalty depending on the height of obstacles.
I'll get around to doing the recoilless rifles, rpgs and mortars later.

[RedWarrior0]

Note that I want Frag-12 ammo for the AA-12. Air burst frag or HEAT rounds. Or buckshot or slugs.

[411570N3]

It fudges the roles up quite a bit though, seeing as the shotgun is meant to be primarily a close-range class. But if the GM gives it the go-ahead then I guess I could make a semi-auto revolver shotgun which focuses on special ammo types, sort of like a higher tier combat shotgun.
Also, every time I've tried to type shotgun in the last two days I've always typed shotfun instead. Whilst it may be appropriate, it's getting pretty annoying.

[Cheddarius]

Tarran, I hate to say it, but we basically have most of those already, and I don't really see the point of a few weapons that are only slightly different from the available ones.
I will be very busy for a bit, but I'll be back. Remind me to add weapons and pay up!

[Tarran]

Tarran, I hate to say it, but we basically have most of those already, and I don't really see the point of a few weapons that are only slightly different from the available ones.

Pfff, that's me, missing details is my expertise!