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[RandomNumberGenerator]

I'm a sucker for cooperative systems.  As long as *somebody* can take down the zombies, I'm happy as long as I can prolong their life.  I'd be most bothered by characters who belong on the front line, being 1-shotted.  In fact, I'd accept some major further penalties to combat effectiveness if I got:
1) An ability to buff healthy players, so I have something to do before things get bloody.  Perhaps an adrenalin shot to increase their movement speed briefly.
2) An ability to stabilize a downed player, so they don't die.  They wouldn't recover until they made it back from the waiting list, but it prevents the loss of ability points!
3) An ability where if I shoot an enemy that has just wounded someone, it'll try to kill me instead.

Any of those sound good?

Medic and support themed stuff, eh? I might be able to whip something up... What about these:

Medic Perks:
Adrenaline Shot
Cost: 4 PP
For 2 AP per person you can give a player a temporary +1 bonus to health. Lasts for 3 rounds.

Norepinephrine Shot
Cost: 4 PP
For 2 AP per person you give a player an additional 3 AP next round.

Testosterone Shot
Cost: 6 PP
For 4 AP per person you can give a player 50% Damage Resistance for 3 rounds.

Superhuman Serum
Cost: 10 PP
For 6 AP per person you can give a player a shot that gives them +4 AP, +1 Health, +1 Accuracy and +25% Chance to Dodge Attacks for 3 rounds.
After those three rounds, they suffer from -2 AP, -1 Accuracy and -1 Health for one round.

Intensive Care Unit
Cost: 10 PP
The turn after the fall to 0 HP, you may save a player's life for 5 AP. You must be able to reach their body. If you can not reach them the turn after the fall, they die.

General Perks:
Resilient
Cost: 4 PP
Gain a permanent +1 Health bonus.

Uncanny Reflexes
Cost: 6 PP
Gain a 25% chance to dodge an attack. Can only successfully dodge one attack per round.
Guardian
Cost: 6 PP
Whenever an enemy within 5 squares of you moves to attack one of your allies, you may spend up to 2 AP on attacks against that opponent before they attack your ally. If your weapon had an AP cost greater than 2, you may attack once after they attack your ally. You may only attack this way once per round.

And to go with Guardian...

Weapons:

Tazer
This handy little device fires two prongs at an opponent for 2 AP, which discharge with a high-voltage shock that stuns an opponent and gives them -3 AP for this round. However, it can only be used once per round since it needs to recharge.
Cost: $100
Upgrades:
$40 High Voltage: The tazer stuns for +1 AP, bringing the total to 4.
$30 Short-Circuit: The tazer does 1 damage when fired, but stuns at -1 AP.
$75 Amp it up: The tazer does an additional 1 damage when fired. Requires Short-Circuit.

[Cheddarius]

Those are way, way too powerful. I mean, saving a life for 10 PP? I'd have to make them far more expensive.

[RandomNumberGenerator]

They're just ideas. You can balance them as you wish or even not implement them at all. I just was helping to solidify the ideas that Rolan had.

[Mephansteras]

Perhaps have a perk that allows the Medic to use those shots and such, with the shots/ICU being items that are purchased instead? That'd reduce the amount of abuse they could cause while still giving the Medic some stuff that normal people can't use due to lack of training.

[Rolan7]

Wow.  I really like you now, RandomNumberGenerator.

About the balancing: I was going to suggest an item or ability that puts dead players right back in the action, but I realized that's unfair to those on the waiting list.  That's why I instead suggested preventing the character's death, but forcing them to make their way back up the waiting list before they're recovered enough to take actions.  Such an ability has no tactical usefulness at all, since it can't put someone back in the current fight.  More like a cryokit than shock-paddles.

I agree with Mephansteras that this equipment should be purchased with cash.  As much as I love free recharging abilities, it would make the buff shots hard to balance.

[Cheddarius]

Mephansteras, that is genius.
RNG, thank you very much for the shot ideas and such.

New poll. Please vote, and vote in the thread as well if possible.

I am slowly working my way through the idea backlog.

Feedback for Allstone (that is what your username says, right?):
On reflection, I have realized that your work is actually quite useful, and that many of the current weapons are too similar. I was quite busy and I dismissed your ideas prematurely, and I apologize. I have added some of your weapons.

Pepperbox is a bit complicated. Gyro isn't different enough. Metalstorm is basically an SMG and a bit complicated. Very's only purpose is complicated. Blank is a melee weapon.

I'm thinking that maybe pistols aren't as good a class as the others, because the cap is low. If you try to increase the damage too much, you get a sniper; if you try to increase the speed, you get an SMG. So if you pick pistoleer, you're basically going to be eventually stuck with an inferior weapon (though the cap will be quite far away).
However, I might try just increasing the damage, not changing the AP cost... that could make it better. Plus, pistoleers have the advantage of dual-wielding.

One problem with your submissions is that they impinge upon each other. The best shotgun is basically a pistol or smg, because it's lost the high AP cost characteristic of shotguns. I'll buy your Sawn-off and Gas-driven shotguns, but only if you can come up with something that makes them high AP again, or just replace them completely.

[Cheddarius]

I am so very tired. Calculating weapon efficiencies/costs/etc. is a pain. I will do this tomorrow or perhaps the day after. I don't know, I will probably have it done by next week.

Allstone, I have paid you $100 for the 7 weapons I have used, does that sound reasonable for the amount of effort you put into them and the amount of benefit they helped the game by?

[RandomNumberGenerator]

Perhaps have a perk that allows the Medic to use those shots and such, with the shots/ICU being items that are purchased instead? That'd reduce the amount of abuse they could cause while still giving the Medic some stuff that normal people can't use due to lack of training.

Hmm... that is a good idea. Earlier I was thinking of the shots being items, but I didn't like that because I wanted a medic to use them so I made them perks. Never thought about using perks and items together though. Anyway, what do you think about this?

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IV Tech:
Cost: 4 PP
Allows the medic to administer basic drugs(Adrenaline, Norepinephrine and Testosterone)

Vascular Expert:
Cost: 6 PP (Requires IV Tech)
Allows the medic to administer advanced drugs(Superhuman Serum and ICU)

Drugs:
Adrenaline: This common hormone helps you stay in the fight longer.
Cost: $20/Shot

Norepinephrine: This hormone kicks your senses and reflexes into high gear.
Cost: $25/Shot

Testosterone: This hormone helps quickly repair and build muscle.
Cost: $40/Shot

Superhuman Serum: This powerful compound is a mix of several different hormones and an artificial steroid. It gives the user faster reflexes, increased strength and better coordination. Due it it's extreme enhancement effects, after the drugs wears off users often experience a 'low' period where their body struggles to preform without the drug.
Cost: $200/Shot

Intensive Care Unit: This drug will allow even the critically injured to hang onto life until they can be properly treated by a medical professional.
Cost: $400/Shot

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You can still tweak the values if you want Cheddarius. I based the price of the ICU off of the cost of 10 Perk Points. The other drugs I valued based off perks/weapon add-ons that had similar effects, but made them a fraction of the cost since they only gave a temporary boost. Seems fair to me, but then again I haven't been paying a whole lot of attention since my last character died so I don't know the current state of things.

[RAM]

Bear in mind that giving someone alot of AP in a single round could have unforseen consequences, such as being able to take the boss down before they have a chance to shoot back, or something like that, also you could have two medics buff eachother's AP, and then use the buffed AP to buff more AP, then both perform a super AP buff on a scavenger with a machine gun...

I have a great idea for a new weapon! It'll be called a mortar, and it will shoot explodey things all over the map! And maybe it will need to be mounted to a vehicle! Though I have no idea where you would get the rules for something like that...

I dunno about the poll, I liked the original in that everything was available, but the new sense of advancement is nice, though it kind of penalises new people people who aren't me, and there are issues with locking yourself into a class and missing out on all the cross-class cheapness cheating...

I think that pistoleer should have weaker weapons but better abilities, based around movement and looking awesome, like...

Steely eyes: Halve your AP a target cannot attack you for one round.

Shooting roll: You may spend up to three of your AP each round on both shooting and movement.

Gun-fu: Double critical rate at point-blank range

Gun-fight: You and target opponent with an unobstructed line-of-sight become immune to attacks from anyone other than each other and can only target each other with actions.

Quick Draw: Your turn occurs before everyone without this perk, you gain a new action: 'Wait Until', which allows you to delay the rest of your turn until an event happens, such as another player moving out of a square or someone healing you. If two or more people have this perk then the slowest draw first to post dies will have the timing of their actions edited to make the earlier posts accurate. If the GM doesn't think that the required action occurs then the remainder of the players actions and AP for that turn will be lost.

Convenient barrel: Spend three AP to ignore the next ranged attack against you during this round.

Grit: once per session you may ignore an attack that would have killed you.

Never Miss: your first two shots each round are always criticals, if they hit...

Lethal: Add an extra multiple to your damage on a critical hit.

[RedWarrior0]

Dashing Gunman class/perk: Double damage, but you need to drop a relevant pun with each shot.

[Cheddarius]

I dunno about the poll, I liked the original in that everything was available, but the new sense of advancement is nice, though it kind of penalises new people people who aren't me, and there are issues with locking yourself into a class and missing out on all the cross-class cheapness cheating...

How do you mean?

[Cheeetar]

Dashing Gunman class/perk: Double damage, but you need to drop a relevant pun with each shot.

I will become a pistoleer just for this perk.

[RAM]

In the old game you had access to all of the perks, now you only have the ones from your class, which would be broken otherwise, but still, you look at the stuff from the other classes and think "maybe next lifetime..."

Can you get multiple subclasses?

[411570N3]

Allstone (that is what your username says, right?)

Correct. Also, pay me whatever you think is fair; I won't really disagree with you in almost any case.

'm thinking that maybe pistols aren't as good a class as the others, because the cap is low. If you try to increase the damage too much, you get a sniper; if you try to increase the speed, you get an SMG. So if you pick pistoleer, you're basically going to be eventually stuck with an inferior weapon (though the cap will be quite far away).
However, I might try just increasing the damage, not changing the AP cost... that could make it better. Plus, pistoleers have the advantage of dual-wielding.

I'm personally thinking that pistol might end up as the versatility class. Having snipers excel at single target-high damage input, machine gunners excel at horde suppression, shotgunners excel at multiple target-high commitment-high damage and brutes excel at at single target-high risk-high damage, having the middle ground of pistols which excel at no particular field is probably the way to go. I'll see what I can do. What I'll be aiming for is pistols mainly having neither the damage output and accuracy of rifles nor the high target handling of machine guns at the same level. I might also have some pistols sway one way or the other, but at higher cost and high drawback.

One problem with your submissions is that they impinge upon each other. The best shotgun is basically a pistol or smg, because it's lost the high AP cost characteristic of shotguns. I'll buy your Sawn-off and Gas-driven shotguns, but only if you can come up with something that makes them high AP again, or just replace them completely.

Will do.
Any thoughts on the Demolitions class? I was thinking of it as a kind of high expenditure, high return kind of class. He has the ability to do nice amounts of damage to a large number of units, but has to invest almost all his AP in doing so, leaving him vulnerable if unprotected.

[411570N3]

Spoiler: Amended Shotguns (click to show/hide)

Gas-Driven Shotgun
All you need to know is that you don't have to pump it after each shot anymore. Spends 7AP to load the shotgun for this turn, allowing you to fire two shots. Each shot is 6 .75 damage pellets. It has a 5-15 accuracy and a 9-10 crit.
$
An extra shot: $
Extra accuracy: $
Double-barrel time (doubled number of pellets): $

Sawn-Off Quadruple Barrel Breech-Loading Shotgun
Where... did the store get this thing? Uses 7 tedious AP of loading to allow you to shoot 4 times that turn, in any directions you wish. Each shot is 8 0.5 damage pellets. It has 7-13 accuracy and a 10-10 crit.
$
Extra Damage: $
Never miss enemies one square away: $
Double-double-double barrels (Fire up to 8 shots a turn after loading, which costs an extra AP). You are insane. Why would you ever, ever need this? : $

Spoiler: Mortars (click to show/hide)

37mm Spade Mortar
A dirt cheap mortar that happens to also work as a spade. It seems that the store only has ones that have broken backplates, so you'll only be using it as a mortar. At least it's not very heavy. Taking 6AP to aim at any square between 4 and 7 squares away, seeing as it lacks an aiming device all together, this mortar will fire at that spot with an accuracy of 4-16 (with a miss going as much as 3 squares wide). On impact, it deals 1 damage at the center of the blast as well as doing 0.5 damage to other squares within a two square radius at a cost of 5AP a shot.
$
Misses can only go as far as two tiles away: $
Aiming is faster: $
Shots are faster: $

5cm Granatenwerfer
Heavy, complicated to aim, hard to load and light hitting. It's got its flaws, but for this price you're not going to find any other mortars that have this kind of range, so it'll have to do. If you move after sighting, you'll waste the good 7AP you spent figuring out where to aim the bloody thing. Even then, it fires at a decidedly unimpressive 6AP a shot for a yet more unimpressive 1.5 damage at the blast's center, reducing by 0.5 as you move outwards from the explosion. It is restricted to sighting at a square between 5 and 8 squares away, but you may fire into, or into any square adjacent to the sighted square. Moving with this equipped takes one and a half times the AP.
$
Reduced AP costs for sighting: $
Does 2 damage at center, with the same splash pattern: $
Is able to fire into any square within two squares of the sighted square: $

Type 89 Grenade Discharger
A much neater, more efficient mortar that's less than a third of the weight of the 5cm whilst retaining the same caliber. Takes a much less tedious 5AP to sight any spot within 1 to 7 squares away, but you can't fire over enemies if you sight within 4 squares. Does an impressive 1.5 damage on the aimed at square (which can be anywhere within a square of the sighted one) as well as on all adjacent squares, with damage falling off at 0.5 a square after that, all at a zippy 5AP. Even better, it allows for a great variety of rounds. You'll have difficulties against heavy units, but this should serve you well for a good while to come.
$
Frag Shells (1 damage at a range of 2 squares, falling off by 0.5 each square further): $
Smoke Shells (Creates a 2 square radius cloud of smoke lasting 2 turns; units within the smoke cannot see further than two squares; units outside the smoke cannot see into or past the smoke): $
Incendiary Shells (Creates a 2 square radius area of fire for 2 turns; units spending AP in the fire take 0.25 damage per AP spent in the fire unless moving, where they take only 0.1 damage): $

2 Inch SBML Mortar
A little a bit chunkier than the smaller Type 89, the 2 Inch has a variety of features which sets it apart. It can sight to any square between 2 and 9 squares away, at a cost of 4AP, and then fire at any square within two squares of the sighted square for 5AP. By standard, you'll be firing 1.5 damage accross a one square radius (center square and adjacent) which then falls off by 0.5 damage for each square further than that, but this launcher has even more rounds than the Type 89.
$
Net Shells (1 damage over a 3 square radius area): $
White Phosphorous Rounds (Creates a 2 square radius area of fire for 2 turns; units spending AP in the fire take 0.5 damage per AP spent in the fire unless moving, where they take only 0.25 damage): $
Titanium Tetrachloride Shells (Creates a 2 square radius cloud of dust for 2 turns; units within the cloud cannot see further than two squares; units within the cloud have two thirds of their normal AP): $
'Toffee Apple' 51 pounders (Does 4 damage to the center of the blast, reducing by 1.5 per square away): $

M252 81mm Mortar
At more than double the caliber of the Type 89, this monster is not to be trifled with. Sighting takes 5AP and can target any spot further than 4 squares away. You may then launch mortars at or withing 3 squares of the sighted square at a rate of 4AP each. Standard damage is 2 damage to the center and adjacent squares, reduced by 0.5 per additional square out. The problem with this monster is its weight: you will take twice the AP to move the same distance as before.
Damage decay is 0.25 per square out: $
Initial damage is 0.5 higher: $
Firing takes less time: $