Topic: Dwarf Fortress-based Magic: The Gathering set... Again. (Read 5347 times)

Dakk · « **on:** February 09, 2010, 04:53:12 pm »

http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=21598.0

This is being made using the Magic Set Editor 2, found here: http://magicseteditor.sourceforge.net/download

Here's the current set file: Dwarf_Fortress_MtG.mse-set - 8.3 Kb
I'm ressurecting PTTG's idea of a custom MtG set, completely based on DF this time. This will be a +100 card set created following MtG's core rules plus some customs ones we'll create. The point is to create a DF based MtG set that can be played on apprendice and Magic Worksation.

Anyone is free to contribute, as long as you follow these guidelines.

1- The set shall be based on Dwarf Fortress only, that is, no creatures/sorceries/lands,etc are to be based on Bat12 forum stuff or other source. References are ok though.

2- Follow MtG's core rules, which can be found here www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=magic/rules. Rules up to WorldWake are allowed, including set specific ones in addition to the custom ones that will be posted here.

3- Don't make overpowered cards, and avoid making utterly useless ones. Look up whats been made and try to make a card that fits the theme, or that can be used in a possible combo. We're trying to reach a balance on card numbers regarding type and colour, so if lots of creature cards have been made for a colour, try making a sorcery, or an artifact, or an enchantment, or an instant, or a non-basic land, you get the idea.

4- Due to the idea of making this set actualy playable with original MtG cards, its recommended that you have at least a bit of experience with MtG before you try making anything. This isn't an actual requirement, if you have an idea you like, see if it fits along with MtG rules and post away.

5- This is being made purely for fun, so don't expect it to be completed. If it is, then it'll be fun to playtest it, if it is not, too bad.

Here's the first cards I made on my spare time which will disappear tomorrow when I go to college:

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Other things we could use:

Artwork: If you got any custom artwork, post it away, we could use some. Using other people's artwork should be fine aswell since this set is not supposed to be commercial at all. When in doubt, ask the artist's permission.

Here's what I had in mind for colour themes:

Red: Dwarves, dwarf related stuff, magma related stuff (including creatures), mountain related stuff (including creatures), destructive spells, red megabeasts, red HFSey stuff.

Blue: Some race related to brainy stuff or water (could be just fish and merfolk), glacier related stuff, control spells, water related stuff, creatures with special abilities. A defensive colour overall, with some offense to the side. Blue megabeasts, blue HFSey stuff.

Green: Elves, elf related stuff, forest/nature related stuff, wild animals, special lands. Green megabeasts and HFSey stuff. Helpful spells. Pretty balanced colour.

White: Humans, human related stuff, city related stuff, soldiers, giants, white megabeasts.

Black: Goblins, HFS, black megabeasts, indirectly destructive spells, chasm creatures, skeletal creatures, zombie creatures.

Colourless stuff can be anything, but it should be based mostly on artifacts, equipment and artifact creatures, and its own badass megabeast (bronze colossus).

Or you can just create anything you think would be nice for a color, just use your imagination.

So far:

Red:

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Green:

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Blue:

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White:

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Black:

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Colourless Stuff:

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Multicolour Stuff:

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Non-basic Lands:

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EDIT: Updated again

alway · « **Reply #1 on:** February 10, 2010, 07:42:41 am »

Its been too long since I play MtG, so I'm a bit rusty... But, here goes:

Burn the World with Magma! requires: 5 red lands
Flip a coin; if heads, all enemy units sent to graveyard. If tails, flip coin again; if second flip is tails, all units and lands of player using this card are sent to the graveyard.
Flavor text: "Well you see sir, it has a 50% chance of killing them, a 25% of breaking impotently, and a 25% chance of blowing our entire fortress apart."

Miasma: 1 green, 1 black
Deal 1 damage point to all creatures belonging to opponents if they have at least one creature in their graveyard. If a creature dies from this effect, a Tantrum Spiral begins, and all enemy units have their attack power reduced by 2 and recieve an additional 2 damage.
Flavor text: "Nothing makes you want to beat someone to death more than walking near a corpse."

Mist Generator: 3 blue
Makes all creatures immune to Tantrum Spiral effect.
Flavor text: "OOOHHH SPARKLY!!!"

Underground Pool, non-basic land
Playing this card causes 1 damage to player's units. On turns after this land is played, player may convert 3 blue lands into 4 green lands.

Underground River, non-basic land
Playing this card causes 2 damage to player's units. On turns after this card is played, player may treat this land as either 3 blue lands or 4 green lands.

Wall: 2 red, 2 white
0 attack, 8 defense
While wall is active, opponent must flip a coin when attacking a unit which did not itself attack on the previous turn. If tails, the attack fails and the target recieves 0 damage.
Flavor text: "Walls are impenetrable. Unfortunately, the dwarves running out of them to grab socks aren't."

Zombie Carp: 4 blue, 8 black
Both players lose immediately, and afterwards must put all cards through paper shredder to ensure proper simulation of a zombie carp. Use with caution.

Flavor text: "We sent a dwarven battalion to get a good description for this text; they never returned."
Flavor text #2 (because zombie carp is so awesome it gets 2 flavor texts): ""Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Carp R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"

Migrant Wave: 2 white, 2 red, 2 green, 2 blue
Draw 5 cards from draw pile; put any non-undead units on the field, discarding the rest. Flip a coin; if tails remove 2 lands from play.
Flavor text: "Peasants, lyemakers and soapers. Utterly useless, the lot of em."

CATSPLOSION: 3 white
Player using this card recieves 100 "kitten" units. These units have 0 attack, 1 defense. For every 10 kittens the player has, they can not use any cards or attacks for a turn. Every 20 turns, the number of kittens doubles.
Flavor text: "TTTTooooooooo mmmmaaaaannnnnyyyyyy cccccaaaaatttttttssssss!!!!!"
To clarify the effect: the player essentially skips turns and is only allowed to draw cards on the skipped turns. 100 kittens means 10 turns between turns in which they are allowed to use abilities/cards, 50 remaining means 5 turns between, ect. Basicly it is a last ditch card in an attempt to give the enemy a large number of meat sheilds to cut through before they can get at their enemy's health.

Siquo · « **Reply #2 on:** February 10, 2010, 06:40:27 pm »

Artifact: Mechanism
Casting cost: 1

Has:
{2} The mechanism becomes a lever permanently. Lever has {T}: Tap/Untap target artifact you control.
{1} combine this card with 1 other mechanism: Becomes a drawbridge that has {T} prevent all combat damage this turn, does not untap the next untap phase.
{1} combine this card with any equipment card: Becomes a weapon trap with {T} Deal 2 damage to any attacking creature that has no trapavoid, does not untap the next untap phase.

eerr · « **Reply #3 on:** February 12, 2010, 01:08:39 am »

Elf Racial abilities?

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To be fixed/judged/edited later.

Siquo · « **Reply #4 on:** February 12, 2010, 04:34:02 am »

I like the idea of sacrificable mechanism tokens even better than my idea. They are artifacts, however, so every color should be able to use them.

Also, are we going for hideously unbalanced funny or actually something playable and balanced? Because I can't see myself creating 100 cat tokens and managing their administration... Yet it's a funny card

Haunted Glacier Land
{T} gain one B mana, or one U mana, determined by flipping a coin.
Sacrifice Haunted Glacier, search your deck for any undead creature or ice-creature with converted mana cost of 5 or less and put it on the battlefield.

2Cat: 2RR Sorcery (I like this one)
Put two 0/1 cat tokens into play. During your upkeep, add a cat token for every two cat tokens you control. Before your untap phase, for every two untapped cat tokens, one permanent non-cat creature you control becomes tapped and does not untap that untap phase. Cats cannot attack. Creatures blocked by cats automatically gain trample.

Stone in the Door: R Instant
Whenever your opponent casts a magma-related spell, the effects affect both players equally.

Release the magma!!! ...Why's that door still open? AAARGH!"

Elven Retreat: 3GG Enchantment
{T} {GG} No combat damage is dealt this turn. Skip your next draw phase.

Town Guard 1W
1/2 Human Guard. Has banding, only with other guards.

Creature type: Adventurer.
If at any time there are two adventurers in play, each deals damage to the other adventurer equal to its power. If both survive, both adventurers get a permanent +1/+0, and repeat.

eerr · « **Reply #5 on:** February 12, 2010, 05:20:32 am »

Hmmmm
We can't give Elves and Goblins the same access to mechanisms.

Perhaps making Mechanisms costs Goblins brute labor, and costs elves a forest?

I'm not really sure we have room for everybody gets artifacts, thematically, We'd loose massive amounts of flavor.

Unless we build on the idea of some sort of ethereal being like a planeswalker who doesn't mind making unconventional mixes...

Perhaps a new color, stone?

Mountain/Magma Dwarf.
Rock/Grey Mechanism

Elf/Leaf Elves
Animal/vibrant Elephants and such

Goblin/obsidian Goblins
Undeath+horrors+wargs/Dumpstat of Evil.

Humans/wheat Humans that make mucho farmland.
Aboveground hybrid buildings?

Dakk · « **Reply #6 on:** February 12, 2010, 12:08:15 pm »

Eep, been busy, going to update the list in a bit. Need to add in your cards and the news ones I made.

Dakk · « **Reply #7 on:** February 12, 2010, 01:31:54 pm »

Bump

Spoiler updated, I changed some cards names and effects to keep the balance and playability. Zombie carp and catsplosion have been ignored, sorry Alway.

@eerr: There's an easier way to do it, just make it so that certain artifacts can only be used if you have a dwarf on play. Making it so only dwarves can use artifacts will severely unbalance the game. I'm trying to find a balance between flavour and playability.

EDIT: Eep, It seems I missed Siquo's other cards, I'll add them later on the next update.

By the way, current custom abilities the set is currently(will add the others as cards are created) using are:
Sever on break
Trap avoid
Skeletal

Siquo · « **Reply #8 on:** February 12, 2010, 01:57:05 pm »

I say keep the colors as stated in the OP.

Dwarven Miner: 1RR
2/1 creature, mountainwalk.
{T} {1} Draw a card. If it's not a land, discard it. If it's a land, put it into play.
{T} Target creature gains mountainwalk.

Dwarven peasant: R
1/1 Creature. Urist mcUseless

Eagle: 1UU
2/2 Flying creature.

Legendary swimmer: U
Aura/Instant. Target creature cannot be drowned, and gains islandwalk.
If cast as an instant, bury this card at the end of the turn.

Kobold Thief 2UU (Yeah, I decided Kobolds be blue, since blue has so few other things, and the sneakyness seems "blue" to me)
1/1 Kobold creature. Trapavoid. If Kobold thief damages another player, take permanent control of one of his non-land, non-creature permanents.

Farm: W
Aura, cast this only on a plains. Whenever this plains is tapped, it generates 1 extra W mana.

Watchtower: 2WW
1/4 wall. All guards gain first strike.
Here they come!

Treehugger: G
Aura Target creature gains Forestwalk, and {T} Untap target forest.

Elk 2GG
3/3 Animal with Trample.

Dakk · « **Reply #9 on:** February 12, 2010, 09:58:42 pm »

Going to update it in a min.

We need moar blue, black, colourless, white and multicolour stuff! We have lotsa red for the time being.

alway · « **Reply #10 on:** February 12, 2010, 10:26:40 pm »

I have some interesting ideas for fish...
Give them low attack values, medium-high defense. Then give them all an effect which is applied to any creature they attack: Drowning. After 3 turns, if the fish which applied the effect is not killed, the creature which is drowning dies. Or for more balance have drowning based on a coin flip (if tails, drowning is not applied to attacked creature).
A few fish and you got yourself half the monsters you need for a blue deck.

eerr · « **Reply #11 on:** February 13, 2010, 03:51:00 am »

Many red abilities should require a magma land(magma pipe, magma pool, volcano). Many blue spells should be cheaper with an aboveground resevoir.

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Siquo · « **Reply #12 on:** February 13, 2010, 08:45:12 am »

That's some good ones, eerr! The bridge needs tweaking though... What with being tapped and or untapped, and who's able to attack. Its weird to lower a bridge in your turn, attack, retreat, raise bridge, and then it's the next turn.

Allright, some black stuff, mostly creatures. Needs more auras, instants and sorceries.

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Dakk · « **Reply #13 on:** February 13, 2010, 10:08:47 am »

Eep, yesterdat my internet suffered a critical exitance failure. I'll update later today when I have time.

Aways keep in mind I might change one or two things on the cards you peeps make, since I'm mostly used to playing zendikar standard +worldwake, which is the latest standard format including alara, M10, and the currently released sets from zendikar. Currently type 2 has some pretty scary cards compared to older sets, so don't mind if you find some cards that look pretty dark scary in certain combos.

The GCS is our baneslayer angel

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Dakk · « **Reply #14 on:** February 13, 2010, 12:34:09 pm »

Bump: Updated list with eerr's cards. Ignored pump system because its way too long and way too screwy, sorry, please be aware that cards only have so much space for abilities and flavour text, if its too much, the font will get too small to be readable.
Mechanics workshop and a few other cards have been changed a bit regarding cost, abilities, etc, to make them more useful and overall more balanced. Otherwise just the text has been changed a bit, but the abilities are essentialy the same, volcano does the same thing now except for the nearly pointless cap/uncap cost. Now it enters the field tapped, gaining 1 counter on every upkeep if its taped, and cannot untap until if has 5 counters, when it unleashes its effects. Rainbow has been changed considerably aswell, it was just a minor annoyance before, now its a neat mana booster.

Keep in mind I only make these changes to try to keep the DF set competitive with standard MtG cards.

For the records: Protection from magma is redundant since all magma creatures/lands/etc are also red, thus protection from magma = protection from red, it also makes DF cards usable against regular MtG ones.
Moat is now a creature type, very similar to a wall, but creatures that cannot be blocked by walls (like the GCS) can be blocked by moats.
Grand champion basicaly gives shroud to enchanted creature, so I added that instead, plus the other conditions.
Guards are now soldiers, to make them competitive with regular MtG, knights are still knights and rebels are still rebels.

Adding siquo's black stuff now.

We need moar white and green stuff! Also, multicolour stuff.

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