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Author Topic: In Need of A Mentor  (Read 2652 times)

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Re: In Need of A Mentor
« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2010, 01:33:54 am »

I'd be happy to put on a C# clinic/livecast (mostly because I know it better than anything else) for interested parties, over LiveMeeting or Webex (which scale considerably better than a regular IM service for screencasting).
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Re: In Need of A Mentor
« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2010, 01:35:30 am »

Then Alfie/qwerty/timmeh/Alexhans would come by
 and point out that I am not qualified to have a team of disciples.
Stop throwing yourself down.  You've accomplished a lot under the public eye.  Wich is always a hard feat.  You've been constant in your work too.  I just want you to try OpenAl's freealut now. :P

Regarding the live messenger... Why not hang around in IRC rooms?  too many people over msn can be confusing.

We could use this one (it's in the same server of Dwarf Fortress's IRC):

for example (I made this one):
server:     irc.newnet.net
channel:  #bay12prog

I can make some other people ops too just in case.

I think books are probably more helpful once you've read some tutorials and experimented a bit.  Otherwise, they will be too much information that might prove hard to retain.

We need to remember that learning success still relies heavily in the people's drive and desire to improve.  It's not easy and it doesn't come without practice, practice, practice.  We are always learning.  Some have been learning longer, some others are new.  But we are ALL learning and we need to be humble about it or we'll accomplish nothing.

I know there are lots of programming channels in various servers but the main point of this would be to talk with people you trust to treat you in a decent manner.

The link in my sig is a great and very clear way to start learning c++.   I advice you to
1) understand the tutorial.
2) Fool around with the existing code so you will understand it (by changing it and observing the changes of behaviour)
3) Find a very simple exercise (usually just make it up) that involves that subject, tools, whatever so you'll grasp the concept as you encounter new problems.
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Re: In Need of A Mentor
« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2010, 01:48:03 am »

That sounds great to me.

How do I get my hands on this new-fangled IRC?

Don't worry Alex, your advice has always been useful to me.
I am going to look into the audio things right now,
 just because I feel a little bad about it.
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Re: In Need of A Mentor
« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2010, 01:54:50 am »

IRC?

Just download a client and connect to the server and then join the channel.

Clients:
http://www.icechat.net/site/
http://www.mirc.com/
http://xchat.org/
https://addons.mozilla.org/es-ES/firefox/addon/16  (firefox addon)
http://www.mibbit.com/ (browser based (crappy but sometimes you don't have a choice)

usually the commands would be:
/server irc.newnet.net
/join #bay12prog

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IRC_commands
« Last Edit: February 21, 2010, 01:56:33 am by Alexhans »
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Re: In Need of A Mentor
« Reply #34 on: February 22, 2010, 02:17:54 pm »

I like this idea of teaching programming online, but I don't think that IRC is a good choice, because you can't see what has been said before you have joined.

Can we use Etherpad or Piratepad?
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Re: In Need of A Mentor
« Reply #35 on: February 22, 2010, 02:50:59 pm »

I suggested IRC as a means to gather people wich, IMHO, is one of the best methods.  You can, from there, decide if you want to use some other online sharing tool for the moment or not.

I don't think a set date or time is going to work.   C++ and other programming languages can not be taught easyly in short classes.

I think the goal is to be able to offer assistance to anyone who need it to the best of our abilities.  At worst, providing some resource to get the needed information to go on.  Students still have to rely on their own desire to learn.
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Re: In Need of A Mentor
« Reply #36 on: February 22, 2010, 04:49:21 pm »

I like this idea of teaching programming online, but I don't think that IRC is a good choice, because you can't see what has been said before you have joined.

Can we use Etherpad or Piratepad?
This is what screencasting is designed for. Webex, LiveMeeting, etcetera.

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C++ and other programming languages can not be taught easyly in short classes.
C++ probably can't be, because it's a fucking mess and doing anything notable requires three acts of Congress and the forfeiture of no less than three meters of intestine, but you can cover the basic essentials of "how to program in a modern language" in maybe four hours.
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Re: In Need of A Mentor
« Reply #37 on: February 22, 2010, 11:10:35 pm »

Is there any sort of program where we could easily pass around source?

I'd love to start with a blank project and just see what we make.
I do one of these every Tuesday/Thursday.

Is MSN messenger really that bad?
I suppose it wouldn't kill us to use that.
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Re: In Need of A Mentor
« Reply #38 on: February 22, 2010, 11:24:43 pm »

there's a lot of collaborative tools. 

Pastebin to post source is perfectly acceptable.

There's many real time tools but they're probably more messy.

right now... I loaded a tiny c++ puzzle in the piratepad link Berserker posted.

http://piratepad.net/bay12prog

Pm me the answer if you think you've got it but don't post it there so more people can try it out.
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Re: In Need of A Mentor
« Reply #39 on: March 15, 2010, 08:07:23 am »

Posting for tracking, I have nothing to contribute. Yet!
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