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[Flare]

You've piqued my interest, where exactly does it say it's an improvement?

Well I bought the game off the steam store, which is the only place I looked (my fault I guess).
Although it never clearly states that it's an improvement, the wording is a bit vague often saying things like "additional", "added",  "new" which implied to me the old features were there as well.

fakeedit, found this on the steam store

With Fire & Sword builds and expands upon the highly regarded combat system from Mount & Blade: Warband.

Makes it sound like they took Warband and just added things to it.
Darn their delicate wording.

Marketing is indeed evil.

[Jackrabbit]

One thing I really like about WF&S and hope they keep in Mount & Blade 2 is that you can actually make a rather fat living off deserters and large bandit bands, because shops don't pay you a pittance for goods anymore. I'm making 600-900 thalers a pop, it's great. And yeah, I figured out how commanders work. High level soldiers on the cheap? Yes please.

Still, I'm gonna play it a bit longer then go back to Warband for the mods.

[Biag]

Well, I'm thinking I'mma try out Sword of Damocles. After that I'll try Eagle/Hats.

"Ooh, mods!" *go to TaleWorlds site* "Hey, one of the recently active topics is a Women in F&S thread." *open thread* I regret TaleWorlds having my money now. Not even for the lack of a female option in F&S (although that does piss me off) but because they've cultivated a community in which "It's a historical war sim, there weren't women in historical war" is apparently a valid opinion.

Spoiler: Tangential rant (click to show/hide)

I don't think people are quite getting the sexism angle on this issue. It's not that they didn't include a female option, it's that they made a conscious decision to withhold a female option when they already had female player characters in the engine. Not only that, but in Warband, female characters are represented with a degree of realism: it's hard to be a chick in Calradia, if you want to get anywhere in terms of power. It's a compromise between gameplay and historical accuracy, and making that compromise improves both of those angles. So why take it out of Fire & Sword? I haven't read the novels, so I don't know if there are any important female characters, but that's still no reason to actively remove it. Fan-insertion games don't work nearly as well if you're actively preventing an entire demographic of fans from inserting themselves.

This wouldn't even be a discussion if they had included it. Nobody would have been up in arms about "Why are there female characters? We can't have female characters!" The whole thing leaves a gross taste in my mouth, and I wish I had been planning to buy Fire & Sword so that I could change my mind now.

[Icee77]

Stop shooting me, please!!!!!!
So I tried a custom battle in WF&S and put all muskets.......

It took around 15 minutes. In the end, I shot my own men to get guns which are already reloaded. (Although I DID waste a bullet to shoot my men...)

[Johnfalcon99977]

I got Mount and Blade: Warband and started playing it.

Cue loss of everything I had to raiders. Ended up scumming for money and EXP in the arena for hours. But I also gained valuable tips for when your trying to get money in Melee fights.

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1. Don't charge into groups. They will turn and gang-rape you from all angles. Instead, wait for that small battle to cool down, or search for different targets, such as archers.
2. The shield is your friend. Use it often, and pick it up when you can get it.
3. When looting corpses, make it quick. Enemies get behind you FAST while you take that shiny shield.
4. Look for weapons you have very high skill in. Loot them when you can.
5. Stay in the center and keep constant watch toward all sides when their are no enemies nearby. Staying near spawn points is a very bad idea.
6. Pray for the Bow when you start. You are generally much more skilled then the other archers and headshots are instant kills.
7. If you get said Bow from above, exchange knife for better melee weapon at frist chance.
8. Also related to Bow: When an enemy with a raised shield charges at you, aim slightly above his shield for the Headshot.
9. Bow related: Don't think you can get that last shot off. If they get too close, switch to your melee.
10. Having higher then 100 skill in one type of melee weapon helps. A LOT.

[Astral]

For some reason I remember seeing something about a custom player faction unit tree... where/how would I manage this?

I believe it to be mod related, but finding it is annoying.

I got Mount and Blade: Warband and started playing it.

Cue loss of everything I had to raiders. Ended up scumming for money and EXP in the arena for hours. But I also gained valuable tips for when your trying to get money in Melee fights.

Spoiler: Melee Fight Tips (click to show/hide)

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1. Don't charge into groups. They will turn and gang-rape you from all angles. Instead, wait for that small battle to cool down, or search for different targets, such as archers.
2. The shield is your friend. Use it often, and pick it up when you can get it.
3. When looting corpses, make it quick. Enemies get behind you FAST while you take that shiny shield.
4. Look for weapons you have very high skill in. Loot them when you can.
5. Stay in the center and keep constant watch toward all sides when their are no enemies nearby. Staying near spawn points is a very bad idea.
6. Pray for the Bow when you start. You are generally much more skilled then the other archers and headshots are instant kills.
7. If you get said Bow from above, exchange knife for better melee weapon at frist chance.
8. Also related to Bow: When an enemy with a raised shield charges at you, aim slightly above his shield for the Headshot.
9. Bow related: Don't think you can get that last shot off. If they get too close, switch to your melee.
10. Having higher then 100 skill in one type of melee weapon helps. A LOT.

Best is in Floris' Expanded Mod Pack: Go to Narra with a high bow skill, go to the top of the ladder thing, and just pelt anyone who comes near (aim for the legs of those damn sword+board fighters)

[warhammer651]

Tip for arena fights against bowmen: Approach them on a curve. Keep them exactly on the left edge of the screen as you approach, they  miss more often than not

[dogstile]

I wait until they've pulled back the arrow and then quickly run right, if I was running left

They aim at where you were, not where you are

[jester]

if you just keep stafing one direction and walking towards bowmen in arena they always miss (just)

[ductape]

I got Mount and Blade: Warband and started playing it.

Cue loss of everything I had to raiders. Ended up scumming for money and EXP in the arena for hours. But I also gained valuable tips for when your trying to get money in Melee fights.

Spoiler: Melee Fight Tips (click to show/hide)

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1. Don't charge into groups. They will turn and gang-rape you from all angles. Instead, wait for that small battle to cool down, or search for different targets, such as archers.
2. The shield is your friend. Use it often, and pick it up when you can get it.
3. When looting corpses, make it quick. Enemies get behind you FAST while you take that shiny shield.
4. Look for weapons you have very high skill in. Loot them when you can.
5. Stay in the center and keep constant watch toward all sides when their are no enemies nearby. Staying near spawn points is a very bad idea.
6. Pray for the Bow when you start. You are generally much more skilled then the other archers and headshots are instant kills.
7. If you get said Bow from above, exchange knife for better melee weapon at frist chance.
8. Also related to Bow: When an enemy with a raised shield charges at you, aim slightly above his shield for the Headshot.
9. Bow related: Don't think you can get that last shot off. If they get too close, switch to your melee.
10. Having higher then 100 skill in one type of melee weapon helps. A LOT.

Its way easier than that to start out. What I do is a couple missions while I run around and wait for a war to start. Once war starts, rally up about 25+ dudes and go raid an enemy town, be sure to have an empty inventory. Kill em all, take their stuff, sell it. Do that a few times, you might have to wait until a second war to really get a lot of loot. BY the time you have taken 4-6 towns for all they have, you can outfit a decent starter band to go out and mess stuff up. Always keep your eye out for enemies that have less troops than you, might be an easy win and you start to get some reputation for that stuff.

[Robsoie]

In Warband, if you are not willing to invest all your levels points in Intelligence in order to get the Training skill as high as possible, consider to focus one of your companion on getting this.

It makes a huge difference in how quickly your recruit will be trained into better troops.
At very high Training skill (you or one of your companion), it's not rare to get all your recruits leveling up to their next status after the 1st day of their recruitment by example, while at low Training skill it can take days and only for few of your recruits.

If you play with Campaign AI at more than "Poor", this skill is simply vital for your kingdom survival because Campaign AI set the quality of the lords troops.

At poor it may be a mix of troops of different levels several simple footmen and archers, a few marksmen a few knights etc ... , allowing you then to take your time with your troop leveling (so not necessary to have a high Training value) and getting in fight with them with not so high-end troopers.

But at Campaign AI set to the maximum, you'll face legions of knights/mameluks and ranged very precise marksmen/sharpshooters that will tear your army in seconds if they're not high end soldiers themselves.

You really want then a very high Training skill to avoid getting very disadvantaged when going at war with an enemy kingdom in Campaign AI at more than "Poor"

[umiman]

For some reason I remember seeing something about a custom player faction unit tree... where/how would I manage this?

Same here. I saw this before but I can't figure out how to get the custom player faction units in floris.

[Blaze]

For some reason I remember seeing something about a custom player faction unit tree... where/how would I manage this?

Same here. I saw this before but I can't figure out how to get the custom player faction units in floris.

I did find this, but I have no idea if it works in the current version:

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In Warband it is possible to create your own Kingdom. You may want to create custom troops and being able to recruit them from the villages that are part of your Kingdom. This has been tested on version 1.113.
To maintain a common behaviour with the villages of other factions, this tweaks will give you recruits based on the faction that owns the village in that moment (even this feature has been asked by many members in this forum) and not based on the original culture of the village.


The fast method
If you added your custom recruit manually in the module system or with a txt editor, chances are that it has been added at the end the other troops already present in Native. If that is the case, then it is sufficient to do the following.

Open scripts.txt, look for "update_volunteer_troops_in_village" and substitute the next line with this one:

 43 23 2 1224979098644774912 1 521 3 1224979098644774913 1224979098644774912 26 521 3 1224979098644774914 1224979098644774912 19 522 3 1224979098644774915 1224979098644774914 41 2204 2 1224979098644774916 1224979098644774912 4 0 33 3 1224979098644774916 432345564227567631 432345564227567637 522 3 1224979098644774915 1224979098644774916 41 5 0 31 2 1224979098644774916 432345564227567630 2133 2 1224979098644774915 360287970189640610 3 0 2133 2 1224979098644774917 1 2123 3 1224979098644774918 1224979098644774913 10 6 3 1224979098644774919 0 1224979098644774918 2136 3 1224979098644774920 0 100 2147483678 2 1224979098644774920 10 2136 3 1224979098644774920 0 2 1561 3 1224979098644774921 1224979098644774915 1224979098644774920 4 0 2147483680 2 1224979098644774921 0 1561 3 1224979098644774921 1224979098644774915 0 3 0 32 2 1224979098644774921 0 2105 2 1224979098644774917 1 2133 2 1224979098644774915 1224979098644774921 3 0 2133 2 1224979098644774922 7 4 0 30 2 1224979098644774913 5 2133 2 1224979098644774922 1224979098644774913 2108 2 1224979098644774922 2 2105 2 1224979098644774922 10 5 0 2147483678 2 1224979098644774913 0 2133 2 1224979098644774922 0 3 0 2107 2 1224979098644774922 3 2120 3 1224979098644774923 2 1224979098644774917 2108 2 1224979098644774922 1224979098644774923 2136 3 1224979098644774924 0 1224979098644774922 501 3 1224979098644774912 92 1224979098644774915 501 3 1224979098644774912 93 1224979098644774924

Let 72 hours pass and you can enjoy your troops in your villages.
Remember, this only works if your unit is added at the bottom of all other units.


Further details
360287970189640610 is the ID of the unit: it is one more of the last unit in native. Every unit is assigned a unique ID by the game, which is sequential, starting from the first one. The last unit present in Native has ID 360287970189640609. If you added two troops and you want to recruit the second one, use this ID: 360287970189640611. I hope it makes sense.

Also, FMP Basic does not add player faction troops on its own. You'll need to create a FMP Basic+ or download FXMP.

Once you've done that, you can recruit your faction troops ONLY if you start your own faction, and set your faction setting in the camp menu. That is, unless you mod the game yourself.

[Astral]

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I'm on FXMP; does that automatically do it when I start taking over castles/etc on my own? It doesn't even seem to replace villages with other troops (for example, Khergit if I'm vassaling under them) even after a large amount of time has passed.

[Pandarsenic]

Sword of Damocles too crash-prone. Moving to Hats.

Edit: God I had forgotten how annoying just getting started is in M&B. Any way to speed this shit up?