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[ToonyMan]

I am being serious.

You are the blind one, don't ask for others support.

[Pandarsenic]

Good freaking heavens, people step away from the computer for a day and suddenly it's the end of the world.

Christ.

Gimme some time, schedule's pretty bad right now. Still need to run over things.

I'll admit you pushed me into paying attention to this game at all, but that's failure to take it seriously more than scummitude. Relax.

I'll have something real by... well, heaven knows. Hopefully by Monday.

[ToonyMan]

Hehehe.

SirBayer is being SirBayer.  That shouldn't stop him from doing something though.

[Pandarsenic]

Thus why I'm voting. I refuse to let him lurk his way through the game.

[webadict]

I am being serious.

You are the blind one, don't ask for others support.

No, you're being ridiculous.

Anyone with a brain can tell that what Cheeetar did was incredibly scummy. How is he not? Because you'd do the same thing? You'd post TWO WORDS to tie the lynch, instead of explaining. How is that helpful? We gain more from his lynch than we do from his being alive. That little maneuver he pulled is so scummy, it's not even funny, and you're DEFENDING it?

ToonyMan, why are you so keen to defend what Cheeetar did? You're bouncing things off of others like you're a rubber band surrounding them. I mean, what makes Errol scum? Because he's defending dakarian?

Cheeetar purposefully and intentionally attempted to cause the town to lose a day. There was no Extension request. There was no explanation. There was NOTHING. He even said he didn't think Errol was scummy when he voted him, which means he simply wanted to live more than he knew his death would be helpful.

And ToonyMan, why do you believe dakarian and Errol are scum?

[ToonyMan]

Errol's points are wrong.  Which kinda connects with Cheeetar.
Dakarian isn't here.

I answered both question there.

Magmadeath doesn't care who gets lynched.
BOOM.  I just answered something you didn't ask.



Why are you buddying with Errol?  Huh Webadict?  Because by your logic, you are.

[dakarian]

Busiest weekend, EVER! 

won't grumble too much about it but I will note that I have a mass of errands that needed doing last week.  I'm ...here still but this week will pull me left and right still.

THAT SAID (and noting that I can't spend too much time with this:)

1. You haven't focused on anyone beyond a few questions for all of Day 1.

I haven't TUNNELED like you tried with Toonyman.  I focused on you D1 and spent time getting reads from a few others.

2. You were content to have me lynched on Day 1 without explaining the reasons, and seeing as I answered your questions and the vote was I presume to add pressure to your questions, it was scumminess to leave your vote on me.

It was more than a pressure vote and you didn't make me feel any better about your attack on ToonyMan.  I'm STILL holding it against you now in fact.  The others I worked out much better in my eyes.

3. You haven't really explained why I'm scum apart from the no lynch, yet you're pushing hard for my lynch.

The bad logic in attempting to lynch ToonyMan long after the reasoning died, only pulling back when your neck is on the line was enough to lynch you D1.  Note that the town never cleared you and you only escaped due to manipulating the vote.

I don't like how he's content to have suspicion on him, as long as it isn't a vote.

Where'd you get that?  I've been after you LONG before you voted for me and haven't really stopped. 

I don't like how he was using meta that didn't apply (a doctor FOSed a lot, that means this guy who also FOS's is town).

A doctor FOSed a lot thus it suggests mass FOSing is a null tell, especially since there's no cases of scum actually doing it.  The bit that Leafsnail being scum was an interesting tidbit that served for a wonderful way to apply pressure and get a read on him.



As for who I think is scum.  Cheeetar.  As for who else?  I hate making scumteams.

[Neruz]

Diplomatic Display

Errol [1] (ToonyMan)
Cheeetar [3] (Errol, dakarian, webadict)
dakarian [3] (MagmaDeath, Cheeetar, Org)
SirBayer [1] (Pandarsenic)
Org [1] (SirBayer)

[Org]

Where does Bayer vote me?

[Neruz]

Way back when. Like, page 16ish.

[Org]

I cant die.

Yeah, I guess you are right.
Unvote
probably cheeetar

Uh, Org.

Org, that's some really, really serious passive-aggressiveness there.

Magmadeath, Cheeetar, please give reasonable reasons Dak is scum? "YOU SHOULD BE DEAD" is horrible WIFOM.

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THAT SOME BAD REASONING THAT

[Cheeetar]

I am being serious.

You are the blind one, don't ask for others support.

No, you're being ridiculous.

Anyone with a brain can tell that what Cheeetar did was incredibly scummy. How is he not? Because you'd do the same thing? You'd post TWO WORDS to tie the lynch, instead of explaining. How is that helpful? We gain more from his lynch than we do from his being alive. That little maneuver he pulled is so scummy, it's not even funny, and you're DEFENDING it?

ToonyMan, why are you so keen to defend what Cheeetar did? You're bouncing things off of others like you're a rubber band surrounding them. I mean, what makes Errol scum? Because he's defending dakarian?

Cheeetar purposefully and intentionally attempted to cause the town to lose a day. There was no Extension request. There was no explanation. There was NOTHING. He even said he didn't think Errol was scummy when he voted him, which means he simply wanted to live more than he knew his death would be helpful.

And ToonyMan, why do you believe dakarian and Errol are scum?

1. I saw the message.
2. I realised I was going to die extremely soon unless I stopped it.
3. I stopped it as quickly as possible.
4. I prepared a real post, detailing my suspicions and voting for Dakarian.
5. I saw the day had ended with a no-lynch, which I did not know would be the result of a tie.

This is not scumminess. This is me being unlucky.

[Cheeetar]

Busiest weekend, EVER! 

won't grumble too much about it but I will note that I have a mass of errands that needed doing last week.  I'm ...here still but this week will pull me left and right still.

THAT SAID (and noting that I can't spend too much time with this:)

1. You haven't focused on anyone beyond a few questions for all of Day 1.

I haven't TUNNELED like you tried with Toonyman.  I focused on you D1 and spent time getting reads from a few others.

Focused on me? You had all of 2 posts directed at me. These:

Spoiler: Posts (click to show/hide)

Unvote Vector


Vote Cheeetar

I just can't see his pressure on ToonyMan as anything but ugly.  Cheeetar, I believe you'll be the first lynch.

Same reason why it's scummy to attack someone just because they got a townie lynched.  It's a sign of just looking for something they did 'wrong' and not looking at 'if they were scum'. 

In the example: A person lynching a townie is wrong, but it's just as easy for a townie to do it as scum.  However, scum, pushing for a reason to 'go after someone' will use it more often than actual townies (who are very used to lynching other townies).

In this case, you demonstrated ideas on why Toony did a 'wrongful' thing, but you havn't demonstrated how he's not a "Townie making a move you find wrong" and is, in fact, "scum."

In another way.. Assume he WASN'T right for using his skill at that time.  Now WHY does that make him scum and not just a mistaken town?

That's all.

2. You were content to have me lynched on Day 1 without explaining the reasons, and seeing as I answered your questions and the vote was I presume to add pressure to your questions, it was scumminess to leave your vote on me.

It was more than a pressure vote and you didn't make me feel any better about your attack on ToonyMan.  I'm STILL holding it against you now in fact.  The others I worked out much better in my eyes.

So you admit that it was a pressure vote, yet you kept it on me for all of the day and when I was going to get lynched. If my answers weren't satisfying your one question, why not say that instead of trying to lynch me after all of two posts directed at me?

3. You haven't really explained why I'm scum apart from the no lynch, yet you're pushing hard for my lynch.

The bad logic in attempting to lynch ToonyMan long after the reasoning died, only pulling back when your neck is on the line was enough to lynch you D1.  Note that the town never cleared you and you only escaped due to manipulating the vote.

What bad logic? Explain.
I unvoted ToonyMan because all I had on him was one thing.
Two people voted for me. That's all. It's not 'the town' trying to lynch me. It's you and Errol, and now Webadict.

I don't like how he's content to have suspicion on him, as long as it isn't a vote.

Where'd you get that?  I've been after you LONG before you voted for me and haven't really stopped. 

Yes, those two posts. And then, after I voted you, you started to concentrate.

I don't like how he was using meta that didn't apply (a doctor FOSed a lot, that means this guy who also FOS's is town).

A doctor FOSed a lot thus it suggests mass FOSing is a null tell, especially since there's no cases of scum actually doing it.  The bit that Leafsnail being scum was an interesting tidbit that served for a wonderful way to apply pressure and get a read on him.

It's a null tell, but you were using it as a town tell.

[SirBayer]

I cant die.

Yeah, I guess you are right.
Unvote
probably cheeetar

Uh, Org.

Org, that's some really, really serious passive-aggressiveness there.

Magmadeath, Cheeetar, please give reasonable reasons Dak is scum? "YOU SHOULD BE DEAD" is horrible WIFOM.

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THAT SOME BAD REASONING THAT

Oh, can it, you didn't jump so you weren't scum.

Unvote Org.

Cheeetar, I've been hesitant to admit this to myself, but after trawling back, there's just... too much.

Unvote Redwarrior0. Vote ToonyMan. [ANTITOWN IS ALWAYS ANTITOWN]

This bandwagon. Right after Toony did his whole rocket thing. Then immediately afterward, your whole argument with Panda... is also bad.

I don't like how he randomly fired into the crowd in the hope of killing scum. I believe it is anti-town behaviour. I am also suspicious of Pandarsenic's defence in that 'it was to improve the credibility of his roleclaim', and that increased my perception of Toony as scum. I do not know why ToonyMan would do this if he were scum, but I do think it is anti-town. As I have no other reason to believe Toony is scum (Pandarsenic's defence could be a scum buddying), I'll unvote ToonyMan.

When pressured that hard about it, you backed off.

I don't trust it.

There's a million other things, but these are the few gems I found.

FAKEEDIT: Dammit, what did I miss yesterday night while I was putting this together? I have a horrible feeling it's outdated now.

Dak is also acting a little strange - his RVS argument with Vector at the beginning was a little... off-color, perhaps, but I don't see anything damning in it. There are worse.

And you, dakarian, are almost certainly scum with him.  Are you really going to FoS someone with a mild question before defending them after they give a bad answer?  Really?  Not even a flicker of suspicion for his refusal to vote anyone at all, even his prime suspect?

This is really strange from Leafsnail - check out the posts before it. OMGUS out the wazoo.

[Pandarsenic]

Wow, SirBayer, you just COMPLETELY flipped your position on Dakarian. Trying to generate WIFOM about Dak's alignment for when you flip scum!?