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Re: [TWIN DEATH] MSPA Mafia -=2=- Day 2 Ends Wednesday 11:00AM
« Reply #225 on: February 12, 2010, 11:20:43 pm »

I didn't say 'YOU SHOULD BE DEAD', so I'm going to assume that you were talking to Magmadeath on that particular point. My reasons I illustrated here:
I think Dakarian is scum, and would have unvoted and voted him had time not run out (I thought a tie would give a small extension so I could scumhunt a bit). I don't like how he focused on me for about 2 posts, and then asked Errol for an opinion and forgot about me. I don't like how he's content to have suspicion on him, as long as it isn't a vote. I don't like how he was using meta that didn't apply (a doctor FOSed a lot, that means this guy who also FOS's is town).

Why are you voting Org simply for passive-aggressiveness? If you have another reason for why Org is scum, illustrate it when voting for him.
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Re: [TWIN DEATH] MSPA Mafia -=2=- Day 2 Ends Wednesday 11:00AM
« Reply #226 on: February 12, 2010, 11:28:16 pm »

Dak should have been red. It seems like he would make a no voter from someone voting him
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Re: [TWIN DEATH] MSPA Mafia -=2=- Day 2 Ends Wednesday 11:00AM
« Reply #227 on: February 12, 2010, 11:40:18 pm »

Yes I was talking about Magmadeath pardon my silliousness.

I'm voting Org simply for passive-aggressiveness because he puts up a vote. Then he takes it down when confronted, immediately. Then just now he puts it back up (albeit on someone else). That's not passive-aggressiveness, sorry - that's flip-flopping. Or waffling. Or whatever. It's a scumtell, even for Org, I'm fairly convinced.
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Re: [TWIN DEATH] MSPA Mafia -=2=- Day 2 Ends Wednesday 11:00AM
« Reply #228 on: February 12, 2010, 11:42:21 pm »

Yes I was talking about Magmadeath pardon my silliousness.

I'm voting Org simply for passive-aggressiveness because he puts up a vote. Then he takes it down when confronted, immediately. Then just now he puts it back up (albeit on someone else). That's not passive-aggressiveness, sorry - that's flip-flopping. Or waffling. Or whatever. It's a scumtell, even for Org, I'm fairly convinced.
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Re: [TWIN DEATH] MSPA Mafia -=2=- Day 2 Ends Wednesday 11:00AM
« Reply #229 on: February 12, 2010, 11:53:17 pm »

Unfortunately, Org is... Org. As in, impossible to read.
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Re: [TWIN DEATH] MSPA Mafia -=2=- Day 2 Ends Wednesday 11:00AM
« Reply #230 on: February 12, 2010, 11:54:17 pm »

Unfortunately, Org is... Org. As in, impossible to read.
Were it so easy...
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Re: [TWIN DEATH] MSPA Mafia -=2=- Day 2 Ends Wednesday 11:00AM
« Reply #231 on: February 13, 2010, 12:37:46 am »

Meh to Org's claim, though I will note that Cheeetar's already ruined our vote before so I'm not so bothered if he lost his vote.


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Re: [TWIN DEATH] MSPA Mafia -=2=- Day 2 Ends Wednesday 11:00AM
« Reply #232 on: February 13, 2010, 12:41:37 am »

Everyone's acting as if I was online watching this thread, waiting for the last minute to vote so as to make a no lynch. I wasn't. I checked this thread just as I was about to die, and quickly voted a name on (1) to stop my own lynch.

Btw, how does that defend you? 

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Re: [TWIN DEATH] MSPA Mafia -=2=- Day 2 Ends Wednesday 11:00AM
« Reply #233 on: February 13, 2010, 12:42:50 am »

Explain to me how what I did was scummy.
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Re: [TWIN DEATH] MSPA Mafia -=2=- Day 2 Ends Wednesday 11:00AM
« Reply #234 on: February 13, 2010, 03:43:02 am »

I cant die.

Yeah, I guess you are right.
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Uh, Org.

Org, that's some really, really serious passive-aggressiveness there.

Magmadeath, Cheeetar, please give reasonable reasons Dak is scum? "YOU SHOULD BE DEAD" is horrible WIFOM.

There is something called reaction fishing?

Why are you voting Org, for passive aggressiveness, rather than me, for WIFOM as that's what you apparently thought it was.

MagmaDeath, do you know the meaning of that hook?
No, I do not.

Though I dont really think it means anything.

Cheeetar, here you go.

@Cheeetar

Stopping a lynch just for the sake of surviving is self-preservation, which, in turn, is a scumtell.  What's more, you were deadset on killing Toonyman on what you believe was an anti-town action and then perform another one yourself with the only explanation being that you didn't want to die. 

And now you want me dead because I pushed on you. 

No,  I still don't like it, Cheeetar.  You're showing signs of wanting to live at all costs.

Sidenote: Townies dislike dying at day one, but the hunt is ALL that they must deem important.  If you're about to die, disrupting it will just cause more confusion and argument Day 2 while still robbing us of one of our chances to lynch.  Instead, the BETTER option is to actually attack who you feel is scum, force the scum to leave scumtells, then allow the town to use your newly town-minted words to go after your target.

You claim you wanted to go after me, but you make no mention of it.  As such, I doubt you thought at all about voting for me and just want your current vote to look better than an OMGUS.

No dice.

But, after BM#7, Ive decided self preservation of this fashion is a null tell,
which makes me wonder at darkarians motives, as he IC'd well, Co-hosted it.

Admittedly, he really didn't get into this one much, or at all.

Dakarian, why do you still portray this as a definet scum tell?
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Re: [TWIN DEATH] MSPA Mafia -=2=- Day 2 Ends Wednesday 11:00AM
« Reply #235 on: February 13, 2010, 04:05:04 am »

Thanks, Magma.

@Cheeetar

Stopping a lynch just for the sake of surviving is self-preservation, which, in turn, is a scumtell.  What's more, you were deadset on killing Toonyman on what you believe was an anti-town action and then perform another one yourself with the only explanation being that you didn't want to die. 

And now you want me dead because I pushed on you. 

No,  I still don't like it, Cheeetar.  You're showing signs of wanting to live at all costs.

Sidenote: Townies dislike dying at day one, but the hunt is ALL that they must deem important.  If you're about to die, disrupting it will just cause more confusion and argument Day 2 while still robbing us of one of our chances to lynch.  Instead, the BETTER option is to actually attack who you feel is scum, force the scum to leave scumtells, then allow the town to use your newly town-minted words to go after your target.

You claim you wanted to go after me, but you make no mention of it.  As such, I doubt you thought at all about voting for me and just want your current vote to look better than an OMGUS.

No dice.

The following rebuttals are extremely unstructured. It was either this or put my answers in the actual quote, which would have looked worse.

Not stopping your own lynch isn't townie behaviour. It's stupid behaviour, especially when there are only two people voting for you in the first place.

Toony made what I believed to be an anti-town action which he didn't have to. I made an anti-town action to survive against just two votes in the hope of getting more time to post my suspicions, which I posted first thing this day.

I want you dead because you're scummy. I didn't vote for you initially when you pushed me. I voted for you later, when you had forgotten about me after an extremely brief push.

I was going to post who I believed to be scum (you), but I ran out of time. Even had I posted suspicions instead of a vote on Errol, I would not have been able to as I would not have had the time. I had about a minute to post. I went after you on the first post this day. You had forgotten about me earlier, and then I went after you. Your vote on me now is nothing but an OMGUS.
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Re: [TWIN DEATH] MSPA Mafia -=2=- Day 2 Ends Wednesday 11:00AM
« Reply #236 on: February 13, 2010, 06:13:07 am »

Thanks, Magma.

@Cheeetar

Stopping a lynch just for the sake of surviving is self-preservation, which, in turn, is a scumtell.  What's more, you were deadset on killing Toonyman on what you believe was an anti-town action and then perform another one yourself with the only explanation being that you didn't want to die. 

And now you want me dead because I pushed on you. 

No,  I still don't like it, Cheeetar.  You're showing signs of wanting to live at all costs.

Sidenote: Townies dislike dying at day one, but the hunt is ALL that they must deem important.  If you're about to die, disrupting it will just cause more confusion and argument Day 2 while still robbing us of one of our chances to lynch.  Instead, the BETTER option is to actually attack who you feel is scum, force the scum to leave scumtells, then allow the town to use your newly town-minted words to go after your target.

You claim you wanted to go after me, but you make no mention of it.  As such, I doubt you thought at all about voting for me and just want your current vote to look better than an OMGUS.

No dice.

The following rebuttals are extremely unstructured. It was either this or put my answers in the actual quote, which would have looked worse.

Not stopping your own lynch isn't townie behaviour. It's stupid behaviour, especially when there are only two people voting for you in the first place.

Toony made what I believed to be an anti-town action which he didn't have to. I made an anti-town action to survive against just two votes in the hope of getting more time to post my suspicions, which I posted first thing this day.

I want you dead because you're scummy. I didn't vote for you initially when you pushed me. I voted for you later, when you had forgotten about me after an extremely brief push.

I was going to post who I believed to be scum (you), but I ran out of time. Even had I posted suspicions instead of a vote on Errol, I would not have been able to as I would not have had the time. I had about a minute to post. I went after you on the first post this day. You had forgotten about me earlier, and then I went after you. Your vote on me now is nothing but an OMGUS.

You say you would have posted your reasons. Surprise surprise, it's Day 2 and those reasons are nowhere to be found. You might have forgotten to post them in these circumstances, I grant you that. So, please, post your reasons for going for dakarian. Oh, wait, you already did that:

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I don't like how he focused on me for about 2 posts, and then asked Errol for an opinion and forgot about me. I don't like how he's content to have suspicion on him, as long as it isn't a vote. I don't like how he was using meta that didn't apply (a doctor FOSed a lot, that means this guy who also FOS's is town).

That's weak. Really weak. No justification to stop a lynch.
For the record, you lurked the whole time from the FoS on me to the deadline. If you don't provide new information, he can't ask you new questions. Aside from that one weird post:

Provide reasons. I shouldn't have to tell you this.

You answer a question apparently directed at SirBayer. What is up with that?

For the record, here's the list of my reasons for voting you:

- Self-preservation. You blocked town's lynch at the last second without one word of a reasonable explanation so far.
- Being rather scizophrene in your relations with ToonyMan. Day 1, you attack him for firing in the crowd. Day 2, you seem to have forgotten about it. You don't mention him at all. In your last words about it, you are still thinking it's an anti-town action, and you apparently just moved away from it because you were pressured by Dakarian. So, why do you ignore him right now? He isn't a stellar example of townieness right now either.
In my book, what dakarian did isn't any more anti-town than your actions or Toonys actions. But, there's definitely something strange about him. His role appears to be centered around self-preservation.
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Re: [TWIN DEATH] MSPA Mafia -=2=- Day 2 Ends Wednesday 11:00AM
« Reply #237 on: February 13, 2010, 06:42:22 am »

But, after BM#7, Ive decided self preservation of this fashion is a null tell,
which makes me wonder at darkarians motives, as he IC'd well, Co-hosted it.

Admittedly, he really didn't get into this one much, or at all.

Dakarian, why do you still portray this as a definet scum tell?

BM7?  That explains it.  That was Glyph's game and the first time I started letting others host.  I TRIED to be town IC there but ended up with a mix of having everyone else handle things well and an oddness due to not actually running things.  I actually missed most of the game. 

Given THAT I'm not sure I want to instantly deem self-preservation as a flat out null tell due to the fear of losing town paranoia.  I also treat suicidal tendencies similarly as a non-instant town tell even though it's insane-bonkers for scum to try it.  It just leads to VERY dangerous territory if the scum feel they can get off easy by rigging the vote.

Sidenote: I tend to prefer "saving self by extension" myself, which is why 1 extension tends to be enough to gain at least an hour (and once people see one extension, they tend to follow up fast with it).

Besides: I'm combining it with the OMGUS on me and his actions on D1 which already was enough to get him killed.  He's not exactly looking very pretty however you view it.
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Re: [TWIN DEATH] MSPA Mafia -=2=- Day 2 Ends Wednesday 11:00AM
« Reply #238 on: February 13, 2010, 09:37:31 am »

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I don't like how he focused on me for about 2 posts, and then asked Errol for an opinion and forgot about me. I don't like how he's content to have suspicion on him, as long as it isn't a vote. I don't like how he was using meta that didn't apply (a doctor FOSed a lot, that means this guy who also FOS's is town).

That's weak. Really weak. No justification to stop a lynch.
For the record, you lurked the whole time from the FoS on me to the deadline. If you don't provide new information, he can't ask you new questions. Aside from that one weird post:

Provide reasons. I shouldn't have to tell you this.

You answer a question apparently directed at SirBayer. What is up with that?

For the record, here's the list of my reasons for voting you:

- Self-preservation. You blocked town's lynch at the last second without one word of a reasonable explanation so far.
- Being rather scizophrene in your relations with ToonyMan. Day 1, you attack him for firing in the crowd. Day 2, you seem to have forgotten about it. You don't mention him at all. In your last words about it, you are still thinking it's an anti-town action, and you apparently just moved away from it because you were pressured by Dakarian. So, why do you ignore him right now? He isn't a stellar example of townieness right now either.
In my book, what dakarian did isn't any more anti-town than your actions or Toonys actions. But, there's definitely something strange about him. His role appears to be centered around self-preservation.

1. I didn't block it at the last second on purpose. I already said this. I blocked it because I'm not suicidal.
2. I still think the action was scummy. However, I'm not going to vote Toony because of that one action. I will wait until he posts more, and analyse those posts.


The SirBayer thing? That was directed at ToonyMan voting for no reason. I asked him to provide reasons. Posting with no reason while not in the RVS stage is bad.
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Re: [TWIN DEATH] MSPA Mafia -=2=- Day 2 Ends Wednesday 11:00AM
« Reply #239 on: February 13, 2010, 10:33:28 am »

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1. I didn't block it at the last second on purpose. I already said this. I blocked it because I'm not suicidal.

To 'block on purpose' means to willfully and with full intent act to cause the action to happen.

It doesn't matter that you didn't wake up yesterday thinking "Hmm, today I will wait till the end of the day then force a no lynch."  The point is, you knew at the time of posting that your vote was placed just to cause a no lynch.  You aren't concerned that you robbed us of one of our lynch attempts completely and STILL have to spend half of day two talking about you.  No, all you care about right now is that "you are alive."  Doesn't matter the sheer confusion and mess your being alive is causing nor are you concerned over much of the scumhunt (unless you have more reason to vote for me than "you tried to kill me.")  Doesn't matter that we now have to use another lynch to finish you off (unless you ruin the vote there too). 

No.. you're alive.  That's what counts.



I'm not done with you yet so go ahead.  Tell us exactly why you believe alive is critical to the town's needs.  "That you'll lynch a town" means nothing since a D1 no lynch robs us of that lynch just as well as lynching you.  Was it to give you more time against ToonyMan?  No, you've dumped him down to "wait and see" which many of us have already dumped him into long before the end of D1.  Is it because you wanted time to go after me?  You didn't sound like it. 

Oh, perhaps you had no time then to speak of it and wanted Day 2 to prove your case before you were silenced?

Well if so then very well, show us right now exactly what you found that was important about me?  What makes me scum?  What did you find that no one else has that made you too important to kill? 


Or perhaps you didn't have anything at all.  You just logged in, saw the votes, realized the day was about to end, and went "screw the town!  I don't want to die!" then voted.

And maybe after you did it, you had a nice fun chat in quicktopic about how to get away with your mistake.
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