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[ToonyMan]

So if scum don't have a nightkill, how can they win if it gets down to one scum? Even if circumstances put them so they get everyone else possible lynched and play superbly, theres still a stalemate at the end.

Don't bother with such technicalities.

If this were real then the Cybrid could probably single-handily kill everyone the first day.  Being a super robot and all.

[Leafsnail]

I wasn't really sure what to do, to be honest.  I hit two cybrids with inspects, but it didn't exactly help much.  Scumhunting only resulted in me killing my best ally.

So if scum don't have a nightkill, how can they win if it gets down to one scum? Even if circumstances put them so they get everyone else possible lynched and play superbly, theres still a stalemate at the end.

They win when they can't be killed?

[GlyphGryph]

Yeah, I guess it would work if I just state up front that cybrid win if they survive, so a tie with living cybrid equals cybrid victory.

[GlyphGryph]

ToonyMon, its not about being realistic, its about having an actual end for the game. Handwaving a cybrid win is an acceptable way to insure that.

[dakarian]

By how we tend to work the rules, scum win NOT when they kill everyone but when it's impossible to kill them.  Thus once the vote is 50/50, the town has no way to lynch and, thus, the scum (cybrids) win.

So really the cybrids don't need an after-kill. 

BESIDES, if you do feel that a setup will require the cybrids to have killing abilities, give the cybrids a hunter in the setup.  Remember that the converts aren't really random, but controlled by the host.

As far as the suicidal, you can get that in by giving the cybrids one less normal convert.  Suicide = SLIGHLY LESS powerful convert so it's not as hard to balance as it sounds.

Btw, the reprogrammer probably needs to be nonrandom as well.  Nothing like setting up your game so that hte cybrids don't need to kill, then a reprogrammer turns someone into a hunter.  Make it semi-random: a set type of cybrid-types that may show up (you won't tell anyone what set that is but you'll know)

Fakeedit:  Yes, that'll work.  HONESTLY, you can declare any win condition you want so long as it's known to all.

[GlyphGryph]

Yeah, I'll probably limit the redactors randomize to a limited set per game. Should I let him know what the possibilities are?

And what type of cybrid should the suicidal convert become?

[webadict]

Wait, so how did they kill me twice?

[dakarian]

Don't let them know.  Let them believe that anything is possible.  Same goes for the regular converts: to the players it's random and anything can happen (OMG 3 Mutas!! *stims the marines*).  To YOU it's exactly as you plan in for converts and a limited random set for the redactors.

Suicide: you mean after conversion?  whatever works best for balance.  Generally, if you want the scum to use the suicide as a panic option then vanilla.  If you plan on them using it as part of their strategy, then whatever powerrole helps to balance things up.

[Mr.Person]

Yeah, I'll probably limit the redactors randomize to a limited set per game. Should I let him know what the possibilities are?

And what type of cybrid should the suicidal convert become?

Vanilla is the general, but feel free to go nuts. Have chains of the little bastards, if you want.

[GlyphGryph]

I'm also thinking of having two types of metagen.

Survivor and Serial Killer styles.

Or hell, just making the Metagen a Serial Killer instead of a Survivor (perhaps with the rule that they don't need to kill other Metagen to win, so they become sort of a semi-faction)

[Mr.Person]

A "Rogue" unit? Sounds jolly good.

[webadict]

... Right, except you kill the Metagen right off the bat.

[Vector]

Webadict: I NK'd you.  Then I NK'd you again.

[webadict]

Webadict: I NK'd you.  Then I NK'd you again.

THEN WHO NK'D ARCHANGEL?!?

[Mr.Person]

Webadict: I NK'd you.  Then I NK'd you again.

THEN WHO NK'D ARCHANGEL?!?

Rysith was the kind of cybrid that randomly changes other cybrid's roles.