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[GlyphGryph]

I didn't say the minor roles would have no impact on the game, just a slight one. Some of them are just for flavour, some of them merely have abilities that are severely limited in some way or not directly or immediately useful.

[ToonyMan]

And I thought it would be useful.

What's the point of making a vanilla townie happier if their role doesn't get better at all?

[GlyphGryph]

What I was trying to say is that for most of them, the minor roles DO add something. Grargh. Blargh. Its just probably something that has a small (though very real) chance of changing the game.

[dakarian]

In other words, ther's a small mini matter going on among the vanillas and the 'minor' actions.  It's probably not negative (unless GlyphGryph went bastard on us) but it WILL do something as the game goes on. 

For now, we can wait on ToonyMan since I can confirm that he did indeed fix my ship. 

[GlyphGryph]

We knew day two would be more of the same - bickering and bickering. We feared the glitch was slowly growing his damned ranks, but some of us were beginning to feel frustrated. We just didn't know what to do.

Some of us were beginning to hope the Cybrid would actually kill someone, becuase it might give us the wake up call we needed to do what had to be done.

Vote Count

Webadict[1] <- ToonyMan
Mephansteras[2] <- Webadict, Rysith
Rysith[1] <- Mephansteras
Mr. Person[1] <- Dakarian
Leafsnail[1] <- Vector
ToonyMan[1] <- Leafsnail

[dakarian]

Meanwhile:

@Glyph Mr.Person, Archangel, and MagmaDeath have not posted for over 24 hours.


@Everyone playing

On top of those three, ToonyMan failed to explain WHY he's voting for Webadict.  Meanwhile, Webadict didn't follow up on his attack on Mephansteras.  Everyone else seems to be hunting so far.

[Rysith]

1) Three votes was enough to get Dakarian lynched. The fact that it's not 'hammer' level is irrelevant. If he'd had three votes on him at the end of the day, he'd have been lynched. With how scattered the votes were yesterday it'd have been very easy for him to get lynched with 'only' three votes. If he hadn't been cleared, there is a very good chance he *would* have been lynched, and your vote would have been crucial to that.

So we shouldn't vote for people we think are suspicious, because it might get them lynched? What? I unvoted him when I first returned after he was cleared, and I knew that my posting window fell before the end of the day.

3) You're using 'WIFOM' wrong. WIFOM would be me trying to confuse people and make them second-guess themselves (which is what WIFOM truly means). All I did was point out that players who were cleared one day are not cleared the next. Hardly WIFOM. Unless you'd rather everyone conveniently *forget* that little fact so that your new cybrid buddy gets a pass for the rest of the game.

Sadly, with the cult aspect of the cybrids all clearing someone does is lessen the likelyhood that they're a cybrid the next day.

That's the closest direct quote that I can get of your WIFOM: Combine "Anyone can be a cybrid! Trust no one!" with "Cleared townies are slightly safer than uncleared people", which is false: cleared townies make great cult converts. Particularly Toonyman in this case, since not only is he "cleared", but he's also a cybrid day-cop.

But it's not just that. You're filling your posts with hedges, downplaying the information that we do have, and generally spreading an aura of uncertainty. Maybe it isn't true, blatant WIFOM, but it's still generally unhelpful to doing what we should be doing, which is assembling as (a) coherent group(s) and coordinating to find the cybrids. Something like Vector's distributed groups from KWN, for example (though not strictly applicable here, I think that the theory is sound for detecting converts in general).

I can't argue the second point, you're welcome to think that I'm suspicious. I'm also allowed to say "There are other circumstances, and I'm being as active as I can." There was a very good reason that Semi-Bastard mod updated once every twelve hours.

Toonyman: As I outlined above, you seem like you would have been a natural choice for cybridization last night. While we know that you and Dakarian can't both be cybrids and thus I'm inclined to believe that you are at least telling the truth about repairing his plane (spaceship?) last night, I'd really like to see more scumhunting and reasoning from you before I'd be willing to conclude that you aren't a cybrid-convert.

[webadict]

Toonyman, why are you voting for Webadict? You spent most of yesterday bouncing around with little explanation, and I'd hate to see you do the same today even though we know you weren't a cybrid yesterday. It's not helpful. And can you really not inspect someone today?

It's his game play right now.  I got him for it in MSPA mafia (that's taboo to talk in an ongoing game but whatever).

I wouldn't talk about that game if I were you...

Meanwhile:

@Glyph Mr.Person, Archangel, and MagmaDeath have not posted for over 24 hours.


@Everyone playing

On top of those three, ToonyMan failed to explain WHY he's voting for Webadict.  Meanwhile, Webadict didn't follow up on his attack on Mephansteras.  Everyone else seems to be hunting so far.

Go die.

[dakarian]

You'd rather I'd just mark you town and leave you alone, Web?

[Vector]

ToonyMan is scum.  He just is.  There are no roles at all that would prevent him from inspecting today... other than the cybrid, of course.  Therefore ToonyMan is a poorly chosen convert.  Therefore he needs death.

I don't particularly like Meph's position in the Meph vs Rysith argument.  Mephansteras is accusing Rysith very strongly (of being the main cybrid) but hasn't brought much evidence to the table, and is still relying on his rather flimsy day one case.  Rysith's position looks stronger.

Your argumentation is terrible, and you're sounding awfully... vague? strange?  I have no idea, but it isn't like you.  You "don't like Meph's position," Rysith's position "looks" stronger, and so on.  You're weaseling.  You're making sweeping accusations based on flavor roles whose inner workings are obviously closed.  Further, you're being surprisingly non-confrontational--i.e., I feel like you're talking to the group, rather than the people you're attacking.  This constitutes approval-search (rather than reaction-test related inanities), which has a distinctly buddying flavor.

Additionally: MagmaDeath and Archangel, you have a choice: more posting, or more lynching.  Pick one.

[GlyphGryph]

The day is being extended while I continue to look for a replacement for Apostolic, and to give the three prod recipients I sent out a chance to post.

If anyone knows someone they could get to replace, mentioning this game needs it to them would be appreciated.

[webadict]

You'd rather I'd just mark you town and leave you alone, Web?

No, I'd rather you went and died, though the first would be particularly helpful.

I don't know where MagmaDeath is. He hasn't posted on here or BYOR3.

ToonyMan is scum.  He just is.  There are no roles at all that would prevent him from inspecting today... other than the cybrid, of course.  Therefore ToonyMan is a poorly chosen convert.  Therefore he needs death.

I don't particularly like Meph's position in the Meph vs Rysith argument.  Mephansteras is accusing Rysith very strongly (of being the main cybrid) but hasn't brought much evidence to the table, and is still relying on his rather flimsy day one case.  Rysith's position looks stronger.

What is Meph's position? Why don't you keep elaborating?

[Mephansteras]

@Rysith

Of the three who were confirmed day 1, at most one of them is a cybrid. That's all I was trying to get at. I think it's quite likely that one of them is. Which one, though, I'm not sure yet. Probably ToonyMan, since even if he gets lynched the cybrid has at least removed his biggest threat.

Regardless, I think finding the main cybrid is still our primary concern since a convert probably can't do any conversions themselves.

@Leafsnail

I don't have strong evidence that Rysith is the main cybrid. It's a hunch based on his actions day 1. He claims it's just due to inactivity, and that may be true. Even if that is true it fits the kind of strategy that the cybrid would want, which is why I'm pressuring him.

So far no one has given me reason to think that someone else is the main cybrid.

[GlyphGryph]

Okay, thread is closing in 8.5 hours, 9 pm EST.

[ToonyMan]

Unvote.
Vote Meph.  Meph and Leafsnail keep doing pushes on like, "Oh Toony would be the best choice for CYRBIRD to convert."  You know why because those are the two CYBRIDs right now.

They're afraid of me and my powers and want to get rid of me without being obvious.

It goes like this, why choose ToonyMan, why not choose someone else and then get Toony lynched the next day for being the obvious choice blah blah.

My thoughts are on those two for sure.  Webadict is probably a rebel.