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Re: The Scale of the Universe
« Reply #60 on: February 03, 2010, 09:18:37 pm »

I watched it but I was thinking from memory. Either way, quarks = mass. Higher frequency means more photons.

I don't know how much mass effects light, but mass and light having similar qualities is high school level stuff. and just like water which is denser then air, since dark matter has mass, it WILL change light
Quarks=mass, yes. Quarks=photons, no(but quarks=protons, yes). More photons=higher frequency, no. If you're in highschool, you should at least have the second thing right.
Not every fundamental particle is a subject to every type of fundamental interaction, and no amount of text boldening can change that.
Look, I'm not arguing with you out of spite or something. I was correcting you when you got things wrong.
Hey, you don't believe me, that's fine, just get a physics book, or at least browse through wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quark
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elementary_particle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave-particle_duality
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_interaction

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Re: The Scale of the Universe
« Reply #61 on: February 03, 2010, 09:27:17 pm »

Ok the protons and photons sounding similar got me a little confused but answer me these questions

Would redshifting light change if it went through different densities?  (<- most important)

Do higher frequency lights contain more energy? And thereby more photons?

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Re: The Scale of the Universe
« Reply #62 on: February 04, 2010, 05:03:00 am »

Would redshifting light change if it went through different densities?  (<- most important)

I'm not quite sure I understand what you're getting at, but I think you might be talking about refractive index?  (From Wikipedia:  "For example, typical soda-lime glass has a refractive index close to 1.5, which means that in glass, light travels at 1 / 1.5 = 2/3 the speed of light in a vacuum.")

Anyway, if you hear that light is travelling slower in a medium, you might think that means that the wavelength becomes shorter.  That's correct, but the *frequency* stays the same!  Frequency is defined in cycles per second, which doesn't change; when people talk about the wavelength of something, it's usually in reference to the wave's movement in a vacuum (the conversion between them involves the speed of light in whatever medium).  I think that the answer to your question is no, the light wouldn't actually be red-shifted.  Technically, it moves slower, but all the observer sees is the frequency, not the wavelength.

Do higher frequency lights contain more energy? And thereby more photons?

Yes, and no, respectively.  Photons have a frequency/wavelength, and the energy of the photon is based on the frequency of the photon--so a higher frequency light has the same number of higher-energy photons.  A photon can have a different wavelength across different inertial frames, and yes, that means a photon has different energy in different reference frames.

If you're confused how different reference frames could possibly have different energies on the same photons, that means you're taking your first steps to understanding relativity.  It's confusing, yes.  If you're not confused, you probably have some fundamental misunderstandings.
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Re: The Scale of the Universe
« Reply #63 on: February 04, 2010, 06:42:15 am »

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Re: The Scale of the Universe
« Reply #64 on: February 06, 2010, 01:48:04 am »

But wait, why would we waste energy terraforming a planet when our godlike robotic bodies have no problems surviving even the coldest region of space?*







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Thats sounds plausible. In the long run biological life may be too fragile. though artificial life and machines could continue on.
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Re: The Scale of the Universe
« Reply #65 on: February 09, 2010, 09:42:21 pm »

This game needs robots and lasers, and a chick with big bazongas riding a dragon.
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Re: The Scale of the Universe
« Reply #66 on: February 15, 2010, 11:42:08 pm »

Terraforming mars is plausible, and not outside our technological might right now, just out of our economical grasp. If you got mars up to a similar atmospheric density as Earth, it would take solar erosion ten thousand years to erode it. So any process faster then solar erosion would make it doable. The solar system is very abundant with the gasses needed terraform Mars, and it has enough water and mineral wealth to make itself self sustaining. It just a long process, multiple centuries long process given the few postulated methods. It still much faster then Venus, as its much easier to add gasses then to take away gasses. You'll need a gravity siphon, which would require something along the density of a neutron star to work. And oddly, you'll need a something like that to fix the gravity issue of mars, but letting an object set on the surface and sink to the core.

The major issue with mars, is its low gravity, and lack of magnetosphere. The magnetosphere issue can be dealt with shielding areas with pulse magnetic fields.

Extra solar activity will probably never happen, at least never happen beyond the earth luna system. Its just really expensive, and dangerous. It much cheaper to build space stations for any habitation needs or industry needs, or placing those on luna, then it is to place it on mars. Its much cheaper to bring an astroid into Earth or lunar orbit and mine it with access from a space elevator then go to the astroid and ship the goods back.

Even if it does, it'll probably never expand beyond inner astroid belt, or possible the Jupiter moon system. The distance is to vast to make it worthwhile for a human endeavor.
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Re: The Scale of the Universe
« Reply #67 on: February 16, 2010, 12:11:53 am »

I like your jive Wiggles.

One question: are you implying that it's possible to make giant machines that mimic a planet's magnetosphere?
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Re: The Scale of the Universe
« Reply #68 on: February 16, 2010, 12:17:42 am »

I like your jive Wiggles.

One question: are you implying that it's possible to make giant machines that mimic a planet's magnetosphere?

Yes. You can do it on a small scale, from my understanding, you could probably cover something like los angles, or new york without to much trouble. Covering an entire planet it a monstrous feat, that is very doable, we live on a rock that does so, but to my knowledge there is no known method to make a geologically dead world active in such a matter to get it churning again to make the field.
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Re: The Scale of the Universe
« Reply #69 on: February 16, 2010, 12:42:27 am »

Pshaw, we just haven't tried yet! I'm sure that if Mars' core is anything like Earth's we can contrive some technology to get it's nuclear thermostat up and roaring.

Another question: do you think it'd be possible to cool down very hot planets by managing some way of blocking most of the sunlight that hits it? Like, hypothetically, building giant mirrors that surround the planet and block the incoming sunlight?
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Re: The Scale of the Universe
« Reply #70 on: February 16, 2010, 12:56:18 am »

Pshaw, we just haven't tried yet! I'm sure that if Mars' core is anything like Earth's we can contrive some technology to get it's nuclear thermostat up and roaring.

Another question: do you think it'd be possible to cool down very hot planets by managing some way of blocking most of the sunlight that hits it? Like, hypothetically, building giant mirrors that surround the planet and block the incoming sunlight?

A planet temperature is based on numerous things; its distance from the sun(s), atmospheric composition, atmospheric density and reflectivity. There a few smaller things, but those should be the more major ones.

Cooling off a planet, would probably take changing the atmosphere as the most efficient route.

Any orbital equipment would probably incur a lot logistical nightmares and the cost would probably be high for its upkeep. Probably better off using a metamateriel, and that redirects the unwanted wavelengths elsewhere. The current metamateriel we have can affect microwaves, but from my understanding it can affect the entire EM spectrum. 
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Re: The Scale of the Universe
« Reply #71 on: February 16, 2010, 01:00:12 am »

You seem really knowledgeable about this stuff, it's mighty impressive. What did you say your job was again?
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Re: The Scale of the Universe
« Reply #72 on: February 16, 2010, 01:13:53 am »

Pshaw, we just haven't tried yet! I'm sure that if Mars' core is anything like Earth's we can contrive some technology to get it's nuclear thermostat up and roaring.

Another question: do you think it'd be possible to cool down very hot planets by managing some way of blocking most of the sunlight that hits it? Like, hypothetically, building giant mirrors that surround the planet and block the incoming sunlight?

Yeah, mercury as an example - it's both very hot and very cold. The atmosphere must be altered for optimal results. So, what JoshuaFH said.
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Re: The Scale of the Universe
« Reply #73 on: February 16, 2010, 01:20:47 am »

You seem really knowledgeable about this stuff, it's mighty impressive. What did you say your job was again?

Unemployed going on two years.
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Re: The Scale of the Universe
« Reply #74 on: February 16, 2010, 09:14:32 am »

You seem really knowledgeable about this stuff, it's mighty impressive. What did you say your job was again?

Unemployed going on two years.

That actually explains why you know so much. You must be so bored all the time.
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