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Re: Ideas for Public Renovation
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2010, 11:57:30 pm »

 As a bonus, animals crossing streets cause motorists to slow down, thus providing another public service.
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« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2010, 12:00:13 am »

Public urination is a bad idea.

You pee.  A girl sees your Bright Lance.  She screams.  Her boyfriend punches you with his fist.

The cops show up, and we move the discussion over to the sex offender thread.

That is why you find a corner. Nobody screams upon seeing the back of someone urinating.
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« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2010, 12:03:37 am »

Oh? Certain, are you?
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« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2010, 02:16:37 am »

Man, licensed B.Y.O businesses be all "Bathrooms are customers only" and suspicious clothing stores are all "bathrooms in the back, here are the keys".

I don't think the genius of this post has been fully appreciated here.
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« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2010, 02:21:16 am »

Also....on the point of why we dont grow free food for homeless people....well....its the same reason we dont have free anything.  The only time you get something for free is when you buy two of them first.  The laws of capitalism do not allow for freedom.
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« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2010, 08:02:21 am »

Also....on the point of why we dont grow free food for homeless people....well....its the same reason we dont have free anything.  The only time you get something for free is when you buy two of them first.  The laws of capitalism do not allow for freedom.

And even then they arn't free, just half price :D
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« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2010, 08:04:28 am »

In terms of money, there is such a thing as a free lunch if, say, your execution is set for after lunch.
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« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2010, 10:59:36 am »

Still not free.  The taxpayers are paying for it.

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« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2010, 11:23:18 am »

Still not free.  The taxpayers are paying for it.

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Freedom isn't free. It costs folks like you and me...
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« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2010, 12:08:32 pm »

I bet the fruit tree idea could work in certain locations/climates. I don't know enough about the needs of those trees to really say though, but they are very high maintenance. The costs might be considered higher than the benefits. Also, you'd have a small-scale tragedy of the commons.
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« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2010, 12:10:03 pm »

3. Make a thing so that you don't have to pay taxes, but then if you don't pay taxes to the police they ignore your house or don't investigate your murder or such?

Heh, yeah, poverty. Try and live in the slums some day. Or a third world country. It has been done in one form or another before, but it sucks because:
1. The gov't gets less taxes. Things that are paid with taxes include law enforcement, military, parks, schools, hospitals. You're going to deny non-taxpayers from all these places? (specifically parks and military safety)
2. The people are unsafe, and hell, who wouldn't want to pay a few dollars to stay alive?
3. Being in the "not tax paying list" is like a glowing beacon that says "kill/rob me!"
4. It encourages crime and non-education. And encourages the police to slack off or even beat up/interrogate the people who don't pay taxes. You know, like how they treat illegal immigrants?
5. The bureaucracy and fees in finding out who's not paying taxes and who doesn't get rights isn't worth it. If you're too poor to pay for basic rights, they won't squeeze much tax from you anyway.
6. There's more than just income/land tax. What about sales tax? Does it mean that if you don't pay your 5% sales tax, you're not allowed to sue if the food you bought is poisoned? What about if you bought the type of food that's exempted from tax? Can you sue then?
7. Subsidies. If the company you work for gets subsidies, do you? What about your fuel, food, etc?


It's being done in some form, where squatters don't pay tax on land they build their shacks on. They did it once here, the roads near the shacks were shabby and creepy and ugly. They actually got quite well off, bought imported cars, satellite TV. Aside from a roof that could collapse at any time, they lived like lower middle class people. Then the city just went all "GERROF MY LAND", bulldozed the shacks, paved a new, clean road, and moved the people to some flats that smelled like piss (right next to my college then :(). Following your idea, they wouldn't even get the luxury to have free housing later on, then, they'd end up bumming around town, begging, stealing things, and scaring off valuable tourists.
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« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2010, 12:41:40 pm »

I can imagine that idea turning low-income neighborhoods into some kind of real life Condemned: Criminal Origins situation where not even the cops go into the slums and if you do there are people crawling in the pipes and swinging pieces of rebar at you.
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« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2010, 12:48:41 pm »

Man, licensed B.Y.O businesses be all "Bathrooms are customers only" and suspicious clothing stores are all "bathrooms in the back, here are the keys".

I don't think the genius of this post has been fully appreciated here.

Yeah I laughed and I didn't even get whatever the reference was.

I can imagine that idea turning low-income neighborhoods into some kind of real life Condemned: Criminal Origins situation where not even the cops go into the slums and if you do there are people crawling in the pipes and swinging pieces of rebar at you.

Wow, speaking of suspicious clothing stores.

Condemned really should have had a "Urinate" button so you could enjoy the pleasing tingle of simultaneously tasering and peeing on an angry hobo.
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« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2010, 02:13:19 pm »


Wow, speaking of suspicious clothing stores.

It's that mission that makes me wish vidjya games scared me.  I know the mannequins shifting around and rearranging themselves when I'm not looking should've scared me, but for some reason I had a very blase attitude.

You know what did scare me?  Dead Space.  I think it may have been unintentional, but the dynamic light environment caused by the flickering lights and moving objects, combined with how busy the levels were prop-and-debris-wise, made me constantly see necromorphs where there were none, which kept me constantly on edge.

Condemned has done it a few times, but I've never had a game that made me question what I was seeing like Dead Space did.
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« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2010, 02:24:11 pm »

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